Well said.
It really sucks that we didn’t win the senate though. That would’ve the resistance a lot easier. We have to hope people like John McCain, Lindsay Graham, Ben Sasse, Jeff Flake and Mike Lee actually give a fuck about honor and this fabled constitution they speak so highly of.
Yeah, they’ll gut Obamacare, they’ll gut the EPA, they’ll give tax cuts to their rich friends, but I hope that they don’t let Trump destroy the country.
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There is no point in mentioning Bush being born into privilege and Obama not, when their ending results are very similar. Personally they could be very different people and im sure this would have something to do with it, but politically they headed in the same direction by choice.
When as you stated its them “rolling with the times”, which of course is the times of corporate interest. The times of showing more concern for the profits of oil companies, private military and arms manufactures. This is not a written in a prophecy, its not predetermined. It can be broken and it would be fantastic if we could have a generation of children who did not grow up only knowing war for the interests of those who do not give a shit about the lives they taking.
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With all due respect, Are you fucking kidding me?
Bush ruined the economy, created AND continued a clusterfuck of foreign policy, allowed his cronies to fatten their pockets, let corporate crime go unpunished and did absolutely nothing to ease racial tension and social inequality in the country.
He handed Obama a fractured USA, and Obama is handing Trump a much better country than it was given to him.
Obama worked his way through the sistem, wasn’t handed education, contacts and party favors on a silver platter because of his economic or social status, and was much more open to working with the opposition than Bush or Trump.
This isn’t open to debate. This is math and statistics.
And regarding war, Obama managed to reduce US troops on foreign soil. make deals with hostile states that reduced their threat without military intervention, and, despite its record, the use of drone warfare is much more humane and less destructive than Bush and Clinton’s direct military intervention policies.
And if you can be as glib and cynical to support Trump, the very face of 80s elitism, economic greed and disgusting morals, while waxing philosophical pretentious bullshit about how things will never change because it’s all manipulated by the military/oil industrial complex, then fuck you for just rolling with it while complaining and doing nothing.
You just shrug your shoulders and justify your bitching because that’s the way things are?
I thank the fucking heavens you are a minority in these boards.
People here are dealing with a future president that has triumphed on a platform and populist support that threatens not only decades of civil rights advancements , economic progress and international relations, but their very rights, safety and the futures of them and their families.
You make me want to fucking puke, you spineless, self-defeatist shade of a human being.
Next time you open your mouth to complain and justify your viewpoint, remember that you just threw in the towel long ago.
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WashPost compiled this list of shit that Trump said we would do…
Here are 76 of Donald Trump’s many campaign promises
Part of me wants to make a checklist and mark it every time one of these repellent ideas comes to fruition, but it would end up depressing me more than I already am.
AWelcome back Art Decade. Jesus, great post!!
Trump outperformed Romney with both African Americans and Latinos. I’m still trying to wrap my head around how Trump’s rhetoric had so little effect.
It’s a funny old world when people are actively going around saying, in effect, that Hillary was the worst war monger seemingly because she never said she’s going to do all the war mongering shit that Trump promised he would.
And I want to know why white women voted for Trump over Hillary by 10%. And white women were the recipient of Trump’s unwanted sexual advances over the years, as well. Given a chance to elect the first woman to White House, they picked a misogynist instead.
AAs I mentioned in the other thread, it’s internalized misogyny. I heard people at work yesterday talking about all of Clinton’s negatives and not even mentioning Trump at all. Also, Trump’s celebrity appeals to dumb people of all colors.
In other news, Sam Seder (who has a great post-election show up on YouTube right now) took a not-so-veiled swipe at guys like Jimmy Dore, which I appreciated. He even read listener criticism of TYT (which I believe bears at least *some* responsibility for depressing turnout amongst young people) without commentary, which spoke volumes about how he feels about them right now.
Only took two pages this time.
My mother didn’t vote for Trump (I think she held her nose for Clinton and voted a straight Republican ticket otherwise), but she has expressed a deep, almost visceral disdain for the idea of voting for Hillary Clinton “just because she’s a woman.” While in my mother’s case I don’t think it made for a Trump vote, I’m pretty sure that attitude is far from unique, and I think in the case of people that lean even a bit further right than my parents it could easily be used as a justification. “She thinks she gets my vote just because she has a vagina?!? I make my own decisions!”
Okay, serious questions I have no answer for, given my non american background:
-What happens if Trump loses and is found guilty on any of the legal cases he has been involved since before the election? (Trump University, Sexual harassment suits)
-What happens if the CIA or FBI (okay, fine, not FBI) prove there is a direct link, either politically or financially, between Trump’s campaign and Putin/Russia?
-Could any of this cases actually keep Trump from assuming the presidency? I mean, if Trump was proved to have recieved money/help/hacks from Putin/Russia, wouldnt that be actually high treason?
The lawsuits are unlikely to be decided before he becomes President, and unlikely to implicate him directly enough to undo him.
Proof of a direct link to Russia would end him, but I’m not hopeful that there is anyone interested and capable enough to uncover one. But yes, I do believe that even the frothing-at-the-mouth deficient Republican Congress would impeach if there were strong evidence that Trump knowingly received illegal aid from Putin.
Of course, that would fix very little. Most of the damage that is likely to occur to this country and the world will come from that same Congress. They are collectively as stupid and evil as Trump, with far more knowledge about how to apply their terrible ideas politically.
Ok, I see.
Well, there a couple month’s to go. Maybe we’ll get a reverse karma ray of hope here.*
*Then again, imagine the absolute chaos Trump being revealed as a full time, paid Putin stooge would cause; it could pretty much lead to WW3.
ALet’s be realistic here. Trump may not be too bright…but Putin is. There won’t be any direct links because they don’t exist. I’m fairly certain the extent of Russian aid to Trump were the DNC hack and string pulling on Wikileaks.
The terrifying part is that now that Putin has seen how to help swing an American election, he’ll do it again, likely even more aggressively next time.
Even more terrifying: Putin’s hackers undoubtedly hit the RNC too. How much blackmail material can he now threaten to drop on Wikileaks if the Republicans don’t act in ways that he prefers?
I fully expect zero people to agree with me on this, but I am (very) cautiously optimistic that Trump and his long time personal friend Chuck Schumer (whom he’s supported both verbally and financially) might be able to do some good things. Infrastructure spending is important. Schumer has been yelling about China’s currency manipulation for years (which is a legitimate issue). FYI as of yesterday, Trump’s pledge to ban all Muslims from entering the country was silently removed from his website…where it used to be front and center.
AThis might be me finding some silver lining in this mess, but I do believe that “shitface” will walk back on a lot of his extreme views.
AYes. The guy wants to win, and he knows a big reason why he did is because disaffected Democrats came to his side while he overperformed with blacks and latinos. He also knows he’ll need them again in 2020.
A2020? He’s not running again, guys. Why would he take the risk of losing? He got the prize, proved that his celebrity is th best. Won the biggest toy imaginable. He won’t do it again at 74.
Inevitably, one of you will throw post back in my face in three or so years.
Alright. My bad. Emotions running high yesterday.