Trumpocalypse Now

You may want to rethink calling Obama a scumbag. He came into office having to deal with two wars a recession and Republicans refused to give him any help. He got unemployment

down to five percent, used diplomacy to keep Iran from building a nuke and to get Syria to destroy its chemical weapons. Yes the ACA isn’t Single Payer, but nothing else would have passed Congress. I feel bad for Obama, he accomplished a lot and the country just said Fuck you! We want the dude with a reality show to be in charge.

More like “the rich WHITE dude with a reality show” but it’s still an excellent point.

Thanks.

Obama problem is now the Clintons, and he been tainted by them. People like Trey Gowdy and Rudy Giuliani will now go after the Clintons like a pack of dogs after a bone. They will find some thing. Then it will lead back to Obama.

I have too many mates on the other side of the world that I feel I need to stress this - move south guys. It’s time to move to the southern hemisphere and start investing in gold and organic seeds. I’m not even kidding…

This is a turn of events we haven’t had any kind of historical context for for at least three generations. Come to where it’s safe®.

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ANew parenting goal:

“Here you go son, the world’s just a LITTLE more fucked up than when I got it, but I banged the dents out as much as I could!”

Passing on a better world just isn’t in the cards. It’s good to have realistic goals.

Tricks and nonsense.

97% of our “economic recovery” has gone into the pockets of less than 2% of the nation.

When it comes to jobs they figure out all sorts of ways of how to not include people… who, very much exist.

And the jobs that have been created under his watch have mostly been BS min. wage jobs that do not even begin to replace the jobs we lost. Of course we can partially address this by increasing min. wage and expanding our safety, but he did not even begin to propose or process these things.

And the ACA does nothing but force people to buy from private insurance companies, only covers about 20% of the people who need expanded medicaid and does not even begin to touch on the issue of a for-profit health system that no other country has to deal with.

I guess from the perspective of scumbag corrupt politicians he has done more than some would have, but on the scale of practicing democracy, addressing a nations problems and not catering to corporations over people… hes been a horrific piece of shit that did not even attempt to do anything that got him elected.

I know people like to blame obstructionism, but obstructionism didnt make him support making the bush tax cuts that absolutely needed to be stopped, permanent. It did not make him support and attempt to pass the TPP and shadow legislation so they can pass laws without us knowing, and it did not make him contentiously attempt to cut social security when so many people cannot live on their SS as it stands. It did not cause him to ramp up drone strikes to a level that Bush only dreamed about. It did not keep him from closing gitmo asap. He seemed to love PIPA and SOPA until the shit hit the fan.

He did all of these things and so much more that has contributed to the US being a shit show, on his own. None of them being a result of being forced into it or obstructionism.

So after careful thought, i think its safe to say we can continue to call Obama a typical corporate scumbag politician. But hey, when he is up for election he is a great speaker and seems to know exactly what to run on right?

Forget it man, people here sometimes thing simply making an observation equals making an edorsement.

And the fact that she and Bill became Mega Wealthy after leaving the White House is part of why people discount those “30 years of public service”. Which, FYi isn’t some huge sacrifice.

“capitulate”? What were they supposed to do? Grab their guns and make like some Alt Right Militia members?

…are you serious? The guy made it legal to kill Americans and launches drone strikes against hospitals. Trump is inheriting a surveillance state, not creating one.

TRUMP is bad news, but the moral superiority that many seem to be standing on is delusional.

This is ridiculous. You DO know that the Surveillance state has been decades in the making, arguably going back to WWI?

I guess you prefer the good old days when GW Bush invaded countries rather than do surgical strikes. Or does your memory not stretch back that far?

What was happening in those decades before was VASTLY different from what Clinton, Bush and then Obama created and nurtured.

BTW, we’ve seen no lack of boots on the ground and private military being sent into countries since Bush. I think the point is, and not to speak for the man, that these things need to stop and we need to completely reevaluate what we are doing. Murdering American citizens overseas is unacceptable. double tapping targets after medical arrives is unacceptable. Targeting nonmilitary targets is unacceptable. Allowing private military forces into country instead of our troops, is unacceptable. Giving arms to every side of a war or conflict, is unacceptable. It seems like Mojj is simply saying, this shit has got to change. Obama did not change it. Clinton would not have changed (she made it worse). So… thats that. We need to go in a different direction and not have people who will go the same direction with different tactics. We need to change the playbook.

Of course Bush was a piece of shit. Why would I argue that? So was Clinton, who starved hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children. My point is all these people are equally ugly.

No.

Hey, those people who are generally rational, accomplished, intelligent people did some monstrous shit in office!

Surely the already monstrous delusional ass wipe will perform better and avoid those same things!

Waterboarding? Somewhat acceptable?

No.

Torture is never acceptable.

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Then why do you torture us by posting?

AThese people are not the same.
Regardless of US foreign policy and military action, which pretty much rolls with the times (See how intervention/invasion/surgical strike evolved during the Clinton-Bush-Obama period)’ you can’t compare Bush and Trump, born in the cradle of white privilege and elitism, to Obama’s self made professional and political career.

And regarding Trump, I don’t care if he does a good job, unites a fractured nation or whatever; the fact that a man with a story of economic failures, legal actions, misogyny and racism is the president of the USA is disgusting in every sense of the word.
The guy’s business resume, personality and public record would make him ineligible for any position out there, and now he is president.
Him being elected is both the worse and the best about democracy and capitalism, in regards that anyone can get elected if they play their cards right and get a majority.
And as history has shown on countless occasions, what is democratic isn’t always what is good, just or logical.

There is no point in mentioning Bush being born into privilege and Obama not, when their ending results are very similar. Personally they could be very different people and im sure this would have something to do with it, but politically they headed in the same direction by choice.

When as you stated its them “rolling with the times”, which of course is the times of corporate interest. The times of showing more concern for the profits of oil companies, private military and arms manufactures. This is not a written in a prophecy, its not predetermined. It can be broken and it would be fantastic if we could have a generation of children who did not grow up only knowing war for the interests of those who do not give a shit about the lives they taking.

AVoice from the past here. Not a political expert, just some thoughts.

Last night was horrific. Disgraceful. How the fuck could 53% of white WOMEN vote for this guy?

We should have seen it coming. Stupidity & white fear are natural laws in this country & they’ve been building up for 8 years. We thought the Bush years demonstrated without question the damage an unchecked Conservative mandate can do. We were wrong.

It’s a bad day for everyone & a worse day for brown people. I’m genuinely frightened for women. For gay people. Kids. The poor and middle class. The military. Immigrants. Everyone.

The SCOTUS is fucked for a generation. The damage that can potentially be wrought on the environment and our national parks has me to the point of tears. Not looking forward to the likely but hopefully not inevitable recession.

Even so, I’m not frightened of Trump, himself. There is a silver lining there. He’s not the first scumbag to hold the office, or the first moron. He’s not Hitler. He’s not Pol Pot. He’s not a despot. He’s not even W.

The difference is that he’s not an ideologue. Not even a politician. He’s a tabloid buffoon and has been since you & I were kids.

The difference is that he lacks conviction. He subscribes to no ideology beyond Trumpism. The fulfillment of his ego.

First, beyond anything else, he’s an egoist and a child. To him, our Presidency is a toy. It’s the top of the celebrity pyramid. It’s the holy flush validation of his ego. That’s it.

Beyond that, he’s Archie Bunker. An armchair politician. A Monday morning quarterback. A dormroom conspiracist.

You know what being President is? It’s a job. A very fucking difficult one. It will age you by decades. IF you want to work the machinery of government to accomplish something.

There will be damage across the board, to be certain, but he’s not going to try to establish a New World Order. That requires vision. That requires work.

Someone spent eight years trying to do it and we survived the attempt. We survived it’s war. We survived the recession that came afterward. And we are battle hardened. We know those lessons well. We know where to stand and how to fight.

During the primaries, I thought of Bernie as “Woodstock”, Hillary as “Woodstock '94 brought to you by Pepsi”, & Trump as “Altamont”.

So now we live in “Altamont”…and you know some brothers are gonna get stabbed before it’s over.

When Trump pulled ahead last night, my thoughts went to the Correspondents Dinner a few years back when Obama made jibes at Trump. The camera went to Donald, stiff upper lip, with a look that said, “You just wait, motherfucker”. The steely entitlement and coiled anger.

Those are qualities I see often in white men over 50 out in the world & in the workplace. Usually in reaction to myself, a person of color. The steely entitlement and coiled anger. The suspicion. That’s half of America and it’s nothing new.

The thing about knee jerk, reactionary Conservative/Fox News politics is that it’s dumb, poorly thought out, emotional and not entirely feasible in practice. It’s white inflammation, guarding itself from “the other”. Though real, the damage will be scattered, unfocused, painfully dumb. If we hold on and fight, we’ll make it through the storm of stupid.

With Trump, THE DARK KNIGHT comes to mind. White conservative America, in their desperation, have turned to someone they don’t fully understand.

He’s not gonna tow the Conservative line as other Republican presidents have, he’s gonna tow the Trump line. What that means, who the fuck knows. Either way, it’s gonna require work and I’m not entirely convinced that he’s prepared to put his back into it. The job is ostensibly PUBLIC SERVICE, after all.

I can see his presidency going in two directions:

one, after a year in office, realizing how much actual work is required with no immediate, visceral return, we’ll see him retreat further into the perpetual recess of the golf club. A largely absentee president with Pence & Ryan calling most of the shots. Evil but not crazy. We’ve survived that & come back swinging.

Or, two, the presidency will be a four year vehicle for his worst reactionary impulses. Perpetually surrounded by enemies both real and imagined. It will get ugly. There will be costs.

I pray for the former and believe that our best weapon against the latter is reason, communication, civility, and immovable resolve.

With that in mind, my thoughts turn to Obama. He’s still a rock star. He still has enormous cache here & abroad. And he still has a voice that matters.

With the DNC in tatters, I can only hope that Obama will be a unifying presence of reason that helps to guide us through the next few years while leading the party back to fighting form. I can also see him in Jimmy Carter form, traveling the world putting out fires and keeping the old relationships from straining irrevocably. One hopes.

Oh and fuck Debbie Wasserman Schultz. This is on you, honey.