Halo 2 Has Leaked, Post Spoilers Here!

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Originally Posted by Kyle Reese I’m not trying to advocate what MY behavior (I have no interest in downloading the game). I’m not trying to make excuses for people who download the game. I’m not trying to make this about any MORAL implications. I’m trying to explain how it is inevitable, and it reflects where the industry is heading. Edit: Another clarification. My argument was not about the the person who PHYSICALLY stole the master disk. That person was obviously in the wrong. I’m talking about it’s spread over the internet, why people want to download it, and how the publisher could learn things about consumer demand from this, instead of ignoring it.

Huh?

Why people want to download it is blindingly obvious. Microsoft KNOWS the demand for this game is high and they gain nothing by such a long wait int between Halo 1 and this. Bungie did the best they could to finish it ASAP, but they also didn’t want to rush a half-assed product out. The game has the same play mechanics, but the code, graphics, jjand particulars are being created from scratch from the ground up.

How on Earth are you saying Microsoft or Bungie is ignoring consumer demand? The reason there’s a lag between when the game is gold and when it hits stores is BECAUSE they want to make a bazillion copies to satisfy demand. There is NO other viable distribution method in existence wherein Microsoft could safely get the game into the hands of gamers IMMEDIATELY on Nov. 9.

Reese, I just think you’re WAY off base here, man. I mean, wrong as fuck.

I agree with Slater. Halo 2 plots spoilers should be non-existant on these boards. I can handle knowing if they have system link co-op or not and I can handle knowing if they put any of those nu-metal shit bands on the in-game soundtrack, but I refuse to be spoiled on any of the plot and anyone who does so before November 9 should eat an instant ban (Up to Nick, though, although his article leads me to believe that he might just do that).

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Originally Posted by Micah Robinson Huh? Why people want to download it is blindingly obvious. Microsoft KNOWS the demand for this game is high and they gain nothing by such a long wait int between Halo 1 and this. Bungie did the best they could to finish it ASAP, but they also didn’t want to rush a half-assed product out. The game has the same play mechanics, but the code, graphics, jjand particulars are being created from scratch from the ground up. How on Earth are you saying Microsoft or Bungie is ignoring consumer demand? The reason there’s a lag between when the game is gold and when it hits stores is BECAUSE they want to make a bazillion copies to satisfy demand. There is NO other viable distribution method in existence wherein Microsoft could safely get the game into the hands of gamers IMMEDIATELY on Nov. 9. Reese, I just think you’re WAY off base here, man. I mean, wrong as fuck.

If I’ve learned one thing from this thread, it’s that I need to improve my command of the English language. My arguments have come out pretty muddled. I guess that’s because I’m juggling all these different perspectives, and my major points don’t really have anything to do with the Halo 2 leak.

The window from Gold to distribution for Halo 2 is pretty small, and consoles right now are by design required to rely on physical media. Of course there’s nothing the industry can do about that right now.

They can’t rely on it much longer, though. (Alright, this is the point where I went into tangent territory)

I mean exactly what I said about downloading in general, but I’ve now realized this was not the right thread for it.

I posted to have spoilers mentioned here because I figured it would be impossible to discuss the leaked game without bringing up something or other concerning the new game details.

However, having read Bungie’s request, which can be read here…

http://www.bungie.net/News/Story.asp...D-77A67E324180

I’ve removed all possible spoilers, changed the topic title to avoid spoilers, I just need a mod to make it read as such on the videogame forum page. If any mod can change my topic title to read, "Halo 2 Has Leaked, DON’T Post Spoilers Here! " it would be appreciated, I did so in the edit box, but it’s the title hasn’t changed on the main forum. Thanks.

Anyway, considering pirated copies of this game will be locked out of clans and all the other stuff Bungie has planned for online play, I’m sure most the people that are downloading this will be buying it too.

XBConnect will likely not be able to play this game (until after release) because they won’t be able to offer the required XBL patch. Existing XBL services can’t handle certain features in Halo 2 (Clans, for one). Therefore, neither can existing XBConnect services.

Anyone who posts spoilers of Halo 2 on this board prior to release better get slapped around.

I’m going to be getting the “metallic” version of Halo 2 at the midnight sale, probably at E.B. The problem is there’s going to be some dickhead that’s played the whole game, in line. If they so much as mutter whatever big secret is in the game, I fear a riot will break out, and I’m not even kidding. They’ll be lifted up by hundreds of angry Halo 2 fans and thrown thru the plate glass window of E.B!!

I was in class about 2 hours ago, and behind me this ass jockey was bragging about how he was downloading Halo 2 and would have it by tomorrow. Then he was saying how he was going to charge people $5 to play the game in his room. I wanted to turn around and slap him in the face with my cock, but of course that wouldn’t have been too pretty.

SPOILER WARNING…

I want this game

Making an illegal copy of a digitized data is not comparable to a carjacking, a mugging, or the theft of physical property.

That doesn’t mean it’s right and it shouldn’t be punished, but on the other hand that doesn’t mean we have to go crazy making comparisons that don’t hold water.

I’d just like to say that if any of you post Halo 2 spoilers here, I’m going to take advantage of a Windows security hole to make a virus that kicks you in the balls over the Internet.

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Originally Posted by Gemini I’d just like to say that if any of you post Halo 2 spoilers here, I’m going to take advantage of a Windows security hole to make a virus that kicks you in the balls over the Internet.

Jesus. Thats quite the security hole.

I’d like to second that with paper cuts to that little flap of skin between your fingers…

Kyle Reese, I must commend you on your outlook of the industry and the state of media at this current time. I know Nick’s comment makes sense to him, but I cannot understand why.

Media has been in a place currently, that the industry does not understand at all, and have not done anything to compete…to actually halt some of the leaks…

Look guys…there are ways…that could be made, when a game,cd or movie goes gold…they could be sent into distribution immediately through broadband access. Even a junky ass computer in a gamestop or some junk could burn enough copies for distribution at that store. Industry standards must begin to evolve…and evolve it hasn’t. People now get more of their media online…and not through supposed ‘legit’ ways which aren’t really legit to the people, as I mean, you try to download music, and you’ve got to worry about what you can use it on or how many times you can use it.

Anything coded in 0’s an 1’s is not really backed in the economy like physical property is, it’s freely transferable, which shows that the industry does not have an ounce of understanding in the area…if something can be so freely transferable so Halo 2 is released a month before it’s release date, there is some heavy industry problems, that will take years to catch up with, because they are so slow with what they can do with technology.

The music industry I believe in not having it’s problems not because of online sharing, but because of it’s shitty selection of current music fed to the mainstream consumers. I mean take a look at who has the top hits and you’ll know what I’m talking about. Not only is media expensive as fuck, and the reason is, theres lots of shitty music, lots of shitty 100+ million dollar budget flops, short games with no story with too much attention to gameplay mechanics and not the whole picture. The inspiration is at a new low folks…in all areas.

Many people also don’t understand the internet society and the ‘share everything’ attitude. The people that know the internet well understand that it’s a community on it’s own and that people are sick of the old ways of distribution. Music industry began because of it’s selling of portable distributable products that people could listen to from the original artists of a song without seeing a live performance. The industry is dying; not only from their shitty selection of current modern music and their inablility to understand the internet and find new and cheaper ways to sell music. Actually the music industry will die because of the full connection of the world and the integration of cultures that understand the aspect of sharing with one another and not putting someone in jail because of ‘a song’, ‘a film’, or a ‘video game’, etc.

I will have my own film projects developing over the next year, and I cannot possibly fathom people getting fines or jail time for consuming art. It’s ridiculous and frivolous, and needs to be ended immediately. The court system and the dollar squeezing entertainment industry holds back the upcomers. The current state of file-sharing is a boycott to the industry standards we currently have, and those standards are mediocre at best.

We should have a society, where you don’t have to pay for entertainment, and I think that’s what the internet community is about currently.

Entertainment is more expensive than food alright, unless you eat ramen all day, and that just shows that entertainment is only supposed to be meant for a certain pool of folks. Entertainment is not available to all, because it’s not affordable. I mean you buy an album, and your like, I could make better shit in my basement on my pentium 166. You see a film and say, my 8 year old sister could write better garbage than that. You play a game, and especially in this time since there is only 1 good game per 25 games released, you feel let down all the damn time.

The internet trading and sharing, is about exposing people to entertainment on a massive level, just as it exposes people to information on a massive level. When more people are exposed to this entertainment, it starts to become collective, as people bonding to create better art styles of art forms. With exposure on this level, in current times, it’s something that should be viewed as a phenomenon, if people are able to view and listen to art in a way they weren’t able to before You’d gain a greater sense of inspiration listening to 100 albums over a period of a week, compared to the only one you could afford come paycheck time. 100 films over a period of a week, instead of being able to see only one. 100 games you can test and get to the few good ones.

Nick, of course poor people have more important things to worry about than entertainment such as food n shit, but they have a soul too, and are probably the ones more interested and hold a better taste in art than people in the middle or upper class, not saying that a certain class holds more taste than another, just it’s usually the poor who come up, struggle, and make the inspirational piece of work about what they want to, usually it’s the people who’ve been in the shitter heavily at some point in their life, that make it real, and project views into lyrics, paintings, games or movies stronger than others. The people who are poor have just a strong of an entertainment view as everyone else, if not stronger and on a higher wavelength.

The input and output of media has grown, something that is not understood by most. In this case with media, with Halo 2… its out because the industry knows how to, but is to lazy to at this time, use a better way of distributing it’s product when it goes gold, when a product goes gold, there are ways to get it out even quicker than what is being done currently, alot better ways.

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Originally Posted by BladeZero Many people also don’t understand the internet society and the ‘share everything’ attitude. The people that know the internet well understand that it’s a community on it’s own and that people are sick of the old ways of distribution.

The people who oppose digital piracy don’t understand the internet? Heh.

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We should have a society, where you don’t have to pay for entertainment, and I think that’s what the internet community is about currently.

Double heh.

The people who oppose digital piracy do not understand where the current state of media is going to go. It takes basic knowledge to understand the internet, but to understand it’s culture and evolution is a whole nother story. The internet is no longer just the information superhighway, but an entertainment superhighway, all archived like a library. Anyone who has broadband access, can think of any rare movie or album an find it in a matter of seconds. But I have a strong feeling the RIAA and MPAA will face a crash n’ burn scenario not only because they didn’t look at ‘digital piracy’ in the right way, instead of competing with ‘piracy’, they let it go and just sued thousands of people for their choice of access to entertainment.

Internet piracy will soon be a thing of the past. As more and more people have access to broadband, more and more people have access to libraries of entertainment. I foresee a huge battle between consumers and the industry in the near future that will leave a new mark in the way most people view entertainment. More and more products will become open-source, there will be landmark new ways to transfer media from artists, the movie industry will evolve once digital projectors get into theatres everywhere. Projects aren’t going to be about making a sexy return, but about once again exposing the idea.

With all due respect, you’re a fucking retard.

In this perfect digital age of sharing that you envision, there’s no money going towards the creators and producers of these games. Seriously, do you think Bungie is going to pour forty million dollars and three years into developing a game without any sort of compensation? The end result is that nothing worthwhile gets made, or that games are corrupted by outside advertising in an attempt to make up lost revenue (Nintendo and Pepsi present "Mario: The Quest for Quenching Your Thirst"Wink.

Just because something can be stolen and shared freely doesn’t mean that you have some sort of inherent right to steal and share the material whenever you want to. And for the record, I *like* stealing. I’ve burned tons of downloaded songs and ROMs over the years. But I don’t try to justify what I’m doing with some lame-assed talk about a new digital society of perfect harmony. Grow up.

I feel stupider having read BladeZero’s post.

Entertainment should be free? I’ll tell you a form of entertainment that’s free. Masturbation. So go stroke it and leave the rest of the world the fuck alone.

People who steal HALO 2 suck and should be exposed as the dickless shits they are.

Once there’s an input, it’s out there for all to have. It’s something you can’t stop, no matter how much the product cost, it’s a medium that can be duplicated, and can be duplicated freely, it’s something that won’t stop and will continue to grow excessively no matter what your view on the subject.

Now this whole perfect digital harmony bs…look it’s not something that can be controlled, once something is coded in 0’s and 1’s it is no longer closed, it’s open and can be easily distributed or duplicated in many fashions. Code can also easily be downloaded from another computer alot easier than you think I mean game code isn’t always taken from a master disc.

And if MSsoft really cared about the protection of their product…they’d figure out new ways of distribution for their products and security, since it’s been embarassed time and time again because not only can it not secure windows and most importantly IE6 importantly, they don’t secure themselves enough.

It’s just what’s been happening, and at an uncontrollable rate that is not looking like it won’t be stopped, but create something new, especially with the amazing technology released in the last year…I mean there is something the industry isn’t able to keep up with, and that’s technological innovation and growth.

You’re still saying that stealing is right, and you’re still ignoring the fact that time, effort and money goes into the creation of these forms of entertainment. All you’re saying is that you feel like you’re entitled to free videogames, which is pretty much bullshit. You want free videogames? Go to Yahoo or PopCap and play Rocket Mania to your heart’s content. It’s pretty fun.

As the one person on earth who doesn’t care about Halo 2, even I think this is a pretty shitty situation. Stealing is stealing, plain and simple. Don’t try and justify it or moralize it as part of your brave new world.

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Originally Posted by cabal I’m going to be getting the “metallic” version of Halo 2 at the midnight sale, probably at E.B. The problem is there’s going to be some dickhead that’s played the whole game, in line. If they so much as mutter whatever big secret is in the game, I fear a riot will break out, and I’m not even kidding. They’ll be lifted up by hundreds of angry Halo 2 fans and thrown thru the plate glass window of E.B!!

Oh, hey, this reminds me… Word on the street is that the DVD packaged with the LE version contains all the cinemas from the game and, as such, would be considered big ass spoilers. So, you know, don’t watch the DVD until you finish the game if you don’t want to be spoiled.

My view on this pretty simple though it won’t be nothing that hasn’t been said by various people already in this thread, Nick in particular, though I will be a bit more blunt with my wording of it.

It’s a frigging luxury item, not a damn necessity. It’s a want, not a need. You want it you can damn well pay for it. You won’t die without it.

All this talk of a new distribution system is fine and good but it not in place for this product now is it? Maybe in the future they’d have something like that in place for it but for now they have another established dist system for it and they want us to use that one.

Don’t want to for whatever reason, well tough, you don’t have to get it at all.
It’s not YOUR game to make that call you know…

Well, that’s my 2 cents…