Well yeah, I heard the US one too and found it atrocious as well. But the French one is about a hundred times worse, if you can picture that.
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| Originally Posted by Blunt Well yeah, I heard the US one too and found it atrocious as well. But the French one is about a hundred times worse, if you can picture that. |
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Hearing the covenant scream out those phrases in French(if they speak French) would be kinda funny. Forgive me for sounding like a ‘stupid American’.
I want to play the game as much as these guys if not more, but for Pete’s sake…fucking WAIT. The release date was firm. It’s definitely coming. Do something else with your life until then.
I do mourn the loss of the great maps from part 1, but I magined this would happen when they talked about making the entire board interactive in that you could blow up walls, columns, and whatever else. Probably would’ve taken forever and a day to redo those maps with the new physics, vehicles, and features glitch-free. No more delays. Maybe that’ll be a nice Xbox Live surprise. A free bonus pack of the best older maps after the release just like Unreal Tournament has.
This is very lame. Don’t know why people would want to even spoil the gaming experience. Oh well, I’m still staying clear from spoilers, especially the story. You better believe that Microsoft will catch these bastards and make them pay.
Edited to say that some of the Halo 1 maps are rumored to be upcoming downloads - possibly for free.
I’ve got a buddy who has a modded XBox and has been known to download games to, and I quote, “You know, try them so that I know I’ll want to buy them” (as opposed to doing what the rest of us do, namely RENT a copy or borrow it from a friend who already owns it). Even he thought the Halo 2 stuff was too much. I’m sure the temptation is there in his evil little heart to download it, but so far he seems set against doing it. Whether this is because he thinks it would be wrong to do it or whether he thinks he’d get caught, I dunno. I was just pleasantly surprised that he didn’t already HAVE the damn thing.
I won’t lie. The temptation to get a mod chip and get “free” games is definitely there. Part of me would love to get my grubby little hands on more games without paying for them. However, the rest of me realizes that this is, in the end, very destructive for the game business. I don’t want producers to have to worry more about piracy protection than game development. I don’t want potential game developers to get discouraged because piracy becomes too big a problem and their prospect of a job becomes more murky. Sure, you can argue that the piracy issue would have to be endemic to cause such problems, but it all has to start somewhere.
Nick’s Steady Leak opinion on this was pretty weak. “Don’t you people have better things to be doing with your time? Can’t you just be patient?” brings nothing to the argument at hand.
If I worked at a game development company, sure I’d feel pissed if my game leaked before release. But I would also be able to recognize the reality of the situation. There is no stopping the spread of information or data on the Internet. Nor SHOULD it be stopped.
Technology and media distribution are changing rapidly, and there is a higher demand to get stuff instantly over the Internet. The game is complete, and yet there is the time lag of manufacturing and marketing before it can get in consumers hands. That’s why Valve seems to have the right idea with Steam (even if their publisher has neutered it).
So, in this period of time between now and when publishers move to more secure online distribution, publishers are vulnerable to this type of thing. That’s just the way it is. The sooner they realize this, the more money they will make.
I’m curious, what would be a bigger bone of contention around here, that someone with the opportunity to do so snagged a copy of Halo 2, or that this individual is distributing it for free?
There are people that don’t bat an eye at ripping off a corporation, and I don’t disagree with that out of hand. I do disaprove of the disrespect shown for the efforts of the individuals that create a piece of intellectual property. Those artists deserve to present it as they intended to their audience. It’s not like there’s any kind of subjective value in this instance that you could apply to bootlegging to justify the act (i.e. bootleg dvd’s of the Vintage Trilogy).
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| Originally Posted by Kyle Reese Nick’s Steady Leak opinion on this was pretty weak. “Don’t you people have better things to be doing with your time? Can’t you just be patient?” brings nothing to the argument at hand. If I worked at a game development company, sure I’d feel pissed if my game leaked before release. But I would also be able to recognize the reality of the situation. There is no stopping the spread of information or data on the Internet. Nor SHOULD it be stopped. Technology and media distribution are changing rapidly, and there is a higher demand to get stuff instantly over the Internet. The game is complete, and yet there is the time lag of manufacturing and marketing before it can get in consumers hands. That’s why Valve seems to have the right idea with Steam (even if their publisher has neutered it). So, in this period of time between now and when publishers move to more secure online distribution, publishers are vulnerable to this type of thing. That’s just the way it is. The sooner they realize this, the more money they will make. |
It wasn’t a Steady Leak article, but rather a news item. You never know, maybe some people don’t realize that it’s harmful to download the stuff.
Sorry, I guess it was the title of the article “The Unsteady Leak” that fooled my brain.
OK, so you say it’s harmful to download stuff. That would mean a loss of potential sales. This is fairly impossible to predict. There would have to be people who were going to buy it, but then decided not to because they downloaded it. All sorts of psychological factors at work here, making actual loss of potential sales impossible to measure.
There is also a benefit to a leak. Additional publicity, and people trying before they buy (thought that applies more to music than games). I think that evens things out a little.
I can completely respect the reasons for your viewpoint on this Nick. You hang with a lot of creative people in Hollywood, who hate to see their work get out in compromised form for free. I can understand this feeling. The thing is, the capabilites of the Internet are growing, and the MPAA and RIAA and game publishers are trying to remain ignorant of this fact. The spread of data on the internet can not, and WILL not be stopped. So the sooner everyone changes their attitudes and how they distribute media, the happier they will be.
So, let’s say that more and more people started carjacking us in our driveways… we should just get more tolerant of it?
Bullshit.
There is nothing that can happen that’s going to make me believe that because it’s easier to do something that violates the law (and a law that makes perfect sense) that people have to accept it. What you’ll end up getting because of this is a further invasion of your privacy. Believe me, lazy people are ruining it for everyone else.
It’s just like the people who run ad blockers on free sites like mine but on a much larger scale. Their laziness and lack of understanding makes it harder for folks to do their job, in some cases impossible.
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| Originally Posted by Nick Nunziata So, let’s say that more and more people started carjacking us in our driveways… we should just get more tolerant of it? Bullshit. There is nothing that can happen that’s going to make me believe that because it’s easier to do something that violates the law (and a law that makes perfect sense) that people have to accept it. What you’ll end up getting because of this is a further invasion of your privacy. Believe me, lazy people are ruining it for everyone else. It’s just like the people who run ad blockers on free sites like mine but on a much larger scale. Their laziness and lack of understanding makes it harder for folks to do their job, in some cases impossible. |
I don’t think things should remain the way they are, just because there are jobs on the line. Change is going to happen, and there is going to be a LOT less people employed and making money in the entertainment industry.
The carjacking analogy doesn’t work, that’s just comparing the 2 as “theft of property”. Stealing a car is clearly, obviously a theft of physical property. Infinitely replicating electronic data can not be defined as property in that sense.
We’ve already got plenty of invasion of privacy with the DMCA, thanks to the political influence and massive legal force of the MPAA/RIAA. You fear that the Internet will be outlawed as well, just because those industries are too lazy and inept to embrace the online distribution that consumers crave? I think that is the fault of the INDUSTRY.
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| Originally Posted by Kyle Reese The carjacking analogy doesn’t work, that’s just comparing the 2 as “theft of property”. Stealing a car is clearly, obviously a theft of physical property. Infinitely replicating electronic data can not be defined as property in that sense. |
I think it works. Electronic property is just like anything else. Someone paid someone else to make the product for their use. Both fair game to use in the analogy.
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| Originally Posted by Kyle Reese The spread of data on the internet can not, and WILL not be stopped. So the sooner everyone changes their attitudes and how they distribute media, the happier they will be. |
Hey, if you like stealing (and most of the time, I do), more power to you. But don’t try to justify it like this, because you just wind up looking foolish.
If you’re writing a novel, and I break into your house and steal the half-finished work one night and distribute it freely, it doesn’t hold water to say, “Well, if you have completed the book faster and got it into bookstores, I wouldn’t have been forced to pirate it. This is your fault.” That’s horseshit.
Man. . . what a strange argument, Kyle. Essentially you are saying, “If it’s easy to steal, you should steal it.” So if someone leaves a car running with the key in the ignition, I SHOULD steal that car. If someone drops some cash, I SHOULD pick it up and walk off with it. Morality or ethics don’t enter into it, just opportunity.
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| Originally Posted by Kyle Reese You fear that the Internet will be outlawed as well, just because those industries are too lazy and inept to embrace the online distribution that consumers crave? |
Y’see, Steam is online distribution. You pay for the product, it downloads, you play. THAT is online distribution.
This is bootlegs. This is not business, this is theft.
Shit, I download music whenever I can and I still find this to be beyond douchebaggery.
I’m not trying to advocate what MY behavior (I have no interest in downloading the game). I’m not trying to make excuses for people who download the game. I’m not trying to make this about any MORAL implications. I’m trying to explain how it is inevitable, and it reflects where the industry is heading.
Edit: Another clarification. My argument was not about the the person who PHYSICALLY stole the master disk. That person was obviously in the wrong. I’m talking about it’s spread over the internet, why people want to download it, and how the publisher could learn things about consumer demand from this, instead of ignoring it.
It’s just as inevitable that companies will pursue pirates with hefty fines like Microsoft is doing now, though. I think it’s too early to pronounce the bootlegging industry as the way of the future just yet. I’m sure they are looking into ways to make piracey more difficult, of course. I just don’t think they are going to accept this “free exchange” stuff in any way, shape, or form. It’s too destructive to their business models.
The internet sucks… HAHA
Anyway I fully agree with most of you that “electronic theft” is still THEFT. Doesn’t matter if it is downloaded or not.
I had an oppurtunity to mod my XBOX from a guy who I used to work with. But when I saw all his copied games I just felt realyl bad about doing it, I know it makes me sound like a pansy (which of course I am) but there is just something wrong about it.
Alright well I gotta go watch scrambled porn now…
the only thing that is tolerated on the internet is porn. I wonder if the porn industry gets into a big uproar when there newest tera patrick dvd is found being shared over limewire or something? Just curious.