Sleep, sleep, sleep. You are getting drowsy. There is nothing to fear.
So I’m doing my best to piece it together from news articles, but I’m hoping there are more knowledgeable souls here who can help me. What is the extent of the new regulations on travelers coming into the US? I’m in Canada and want to know what to expect when coming back into the States in two weeks, specifically the definition of “personal items” that I’ll have to stow.
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| Originally Posted by devincf View Post Three idiots with the Anarchist’s Cookbook are Al Qaeda. The infrastructure and leadership of Al Qaeda is gone, and the only reason we keep pretending dipshits like these are Al Qaeda is because they’re a good boogey man name. And the irony is that we give dipshits like these all the cred they could want. |
Al Qaida is a movement, not an organization. They’ve spread out franchises everywhere across the globe.
Outside of their strongholds in Pakistan and their dwindling numbers in Iraq, you’ve got groups like Al-Qaida in the Lands of the Islamic Magrheb (AQIM) in Northern Africa, al-Shabaab and East Africa Al-Qaida (EAAQ) in Somalia and the Horn of Africa, Boko Haram in Nigeria, AQAP in Yemen (the groups it looks this guy was trained by), Jemaah Islamiya in South East Asia, and a number of networks of supporters and potential operatives all through Western and Eastern Europe, to name just a few. All of these groups have connections to AQ core and receive or give support to some degree. AQ middlemen Abd-al Rahman Atiyah, Yahya al-Libi , etc are still out there likely making connections. These groups do not just consist of a few guys with a manual. They’re conducting attacks and plotting against the West and their own regional governments on a day to day basis. You’ve also got any number of lone wolves who have been inspired by AQ who make connections through the internet who are indeed dangerous, despite these apparent failed plots.
AQ has been full of a bunch of fuckups before 9/11. Several months before the USS Cole attack off the coast of Yemen in late 2000, in early 2000 they attempted to attack the USS Sullivans in a similar location but they loaded the boat up with so much explosives the boat sank. Ramzi Youssef’s (the guy behind the original WTC bombing) Bojinka plot in the mid 90s, which involved blowing up and crashing numerous airliners, was discovered because of an accidental fire in an apartment in SE Asia. That doesn’t mean the use of airliners as a weapon was abandoned. Just because they often fail in their plots that doesn’t mean they’re nothing we shouldn’t focus on considering “the movement” conducts attacks nearly on a daily basis throughout the world. Just because we don’t always hear about these attacks in the media (because they’re not always against White people) that doesn’t mean they don’t exist.
I am awaiting the day when we get some real Cobra motherfuckers though. I admit AQ doesn’t quite fit that bill yet.
But the point is that they don’t tend to have the abilities to mount a successful attack on Americans on our own soil. There are plenty of terrorist types out there doing all kinds of bad stuff to people, but so were the Tamil Tigers until this year. I’m not saying we should ignore them from a strategic POV, I’m saying 99.99% of Americans shouldn’t really be sweating it. But instead you now can’t read a book during the final hour of any international flight coming into the US. It’s stupid.
Flying into the US is going to be even more of a bite in the ass now. Why not just blindfold us and chain us to the floor?
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| Originally Posted by Seabass Inna Bun View Post Flying into the US is going to be even more of a bite in the ass now. Why not just blindfold us and chain us to the floor? |
“Gag and Bag that Nazi muffin!”
Dont give them ideas.
But Devin is pretty spot on regarding the abundant use of the Al Qaeda name. Because uneducated people all over the world cannot seem to grasp the idea of dozens of small terrorist groups, often with radically different agendas and frequently directly opposing each other, fighting over recruits or even killing each other over disputes of faith, the “Al Qaeda” boogeyman has to suffice. Pathetic, really, because no, its not a “movement”.
The concept of jihad is a “movement”, in the sense that it is used by fundamentalists. Al Qaeda is a catch-all term for terrorists, and America seems to be at a point where everyone with a box cutter and a bad attitude can claim to be part of Al Qaeda just for shits and giggles, and a Cheney, Rove or similar hate-filled suit is going to come out of the woodworks and request a MAJOR cutback in civil liberties or basic human decency to prevent further “terrorist attacks”
Happening now; Pilot from Delta plane on Amsterdam to Detroit reports an emergency in the plane and there’s reports of somebody detained in the plane because of being disruptive.
Usually after this there’s a bunch of false reports, hopefully that’s the case here …
Update: Same flight as the last incident, also plane is on the ground but is being held in a “remote” area of the airport.
Investigators: Northwest Bomb Plot Planned by al Qaeda in Yemen
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/northw...ory?id=9426085
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| The plot to blow up an American passenger jet over Detroit was organized and launched by al Qaeda leaders in Yemen who apparently sewed bomb materials into the suspect’s underwear before sending him on his mission, federal authorities tell ABC News. Investigators say the suspect had more than 80 grams of PETN, a compound related to nitro-glycerin used by the military. The so-called shoe bomber, Richard Reid, had only about 50 grams kin his failed attempt in 2001 to blow up a U.S.-bound jet. Yesterday’s bomb failed because the detonator may have been too small or was not in “proper contact” with the explosive material, investigators told ABC News. … According to the authorities, Abdulmutallab says he made contact via the internet with a radical imam in Yemen who then connected him with al Qaeda leaders in a village north of the country’s capital, Sanaa. Authorities say they do not yet know if the imam was the same one who was in contact with Maj. Nidal Hasan prior to his alleged attack on soldiers at Fort Hood last month. American-born Anwar Awlaki has lived in Yemen since 2002 and is considered a major recruiter for al Qaeda by U.S. authorities. He survived a U.S.-backed air strike earlier this week. The suspect in the Northwest Airlines attack told FBI agents he lived with the al Qaeda leader in Yemen for about a month and was not allowed to leave as he was trained in what to do and how to do it, authorities said. At some point, according to the account, Abdulmutallab said he was joined by a Saudi citizen whom he described as an al Qaeda bomb maker. |
At least this is great news;
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| Abdulmutallab suffered second-degree burns in his genital area, investigators told ABC News. |
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| Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post At least this is great news; Quote: Abdulmutallab suffered second-degree burns in his genital area, investigators told ABC News. |
Hopefully he also got a few quick punches to the balls as well
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| Originally Posted by Cylon Baby View Post Hopefully he also got a few quick punches to the balls as well |
Yeah, assholes like this guy and John Walker Lindh piss me off more than the others. With most of these, they’re either impoverished loners with no education and prospects for the future who are taken in by radical clerics and then trained to kill or gigantic retards with no prospects for the future like Richard Reid. With Lindh and this guy, they could have had any future they wanted and the future they chose was fucking terrorism. Motherfuck those guys.
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| Originally Posted by Khaunshar View Post “Gag and Bag that Nazi muffin!” Dont give them ideas. But Devin is pretty spot on regarding the abundant use of the Al Qaeda name. Because uneducated people all over the world cannot seem to grasp the idea of dozens of small terrorist groups, often with radically different agendas and frequently directly opposing each other, fighting over recruits or even killing each other over disputes of faith, the “Al Qaeda” boogeyman has to suffice. Pathetic, really, because no, its not a “movement”. The concept of jihad is a “movement”, in the sense that it is used by fundamentalists. Al Qaeda is a catch-all term for terrorists, and America seems to be at a point where everyone with a box cutter and a bad attitude can claim to be part of Al Qaeda just for shits and giggles, and a Cheney, Rove or similar hate-filled suit is going to come out of the woodworks and request a MAJOR cutback in civil liberties or basic human decency to prevent further “terrorist attacks” |
Al-Qaida isn’t a catch all term for terrorists, only for Sunni extremists who are inspired or trained by Al-Qaeda, whom they share a common world view with. It’s only the general public that doesn’t appear to be able to make the distinction. This guy appears to have been directly trained by AQAP, an al-Qaida franchise in Yemen who have direct ties to AQ core. Al-Qaida isn’t just one organization anymore, there are various organizations that fall under the banner who subscribe to a common ideology. While they have varying regional goals they all have largely the same world view. It is important to note these cells are inspired by Al-Qaeda and would not likely exist if the global movement did not exist, or at a minimum would not have transnational aspirations. Anyone who doesn’t think this isn’t a movement doesn’t really understand the underlying philosophy. It was precisely Abdullah Yussuf Azzam’s goal to create this movement so that random dumbfucks around the globe could do these sorts of things. No one in the intelligence community forgets about other terrorist groups, such as Hizballah, who do have differing goals who are a lot more capable.
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| Originally Posted by devincf View Post I’m not saying we should ignore them from a strategic POV, I’m saying 99.99% of Americans shouldn’t really be sweating it. But instead you now can’t read a book during the final hour of any international flight coming into the US. It’s stupid. |
I agree, some of these security regulations are pretty stupid.
I’m more scared of mold in my home than I am of Reid, this Nigerian shitbag and other terrorists of their ilk.
Have any of you ever been to Detroit? This would have been a mercy bombing.
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| Originally Posted by Sammy Jankis View Post Have any of you ever been to Detroit? This would have been a mercy bombing. |
Im amazeed it took 2 pages for the first “detroit is a hellhole” joke to appear.
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| Originally Posted by ryoken View Post Im amazeed it took 2 pages for the first “detroit is a hellhole” joke to appear. |
In all honesty, we were being nice to Detroit for the XMas season. I’m still trying to figure out why in the holy hell a plane was flying from the the Netherlands into Detroit. Do the Dutch have a fascination with shitty cars and creepy, desolate casinos?
Hey now, keep the Detroit animosity to yourself. I lived in Detroit (no, not 30 minutes outside of Detroit, but IN Detroit; was born and raised in Cleveland…my track record ain’t that great) for around 9 years. And let me tell you, if you mind your own business and don’t look at people in a funny way, you’ll make it through the day just fine. Yeah, it’s a shit hole, but a comfy, cozy shit hole.
That said, my plan is to get the hell out of Michigan in 2-3 years. Next stop: somewhere warm.
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| Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post Lieberman calls for pre-emptive attack on Yemen. Oh good. |
Somehow I think advancing the prospect of such an attack does not advance the interests of the nation he took an oath to serve.
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| Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post Lieberman calls for pre-emptive attack on Yemen. Oh good. |
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| Lieberman’s saber rattling against Yemen is “likely to be echoed in the days ahead as a growing number of neoconservative and conservative foreign policy voices have used the attempted airline attack to call into question the tactics Obama has applied to curb terrorism,” Sam Stein added. |
I love the way thats worded.