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I actually think that Vince is playing quite a good heel at the moment. He’s always been great at generating heat and having him as the uber heel, with lackies to do his bidding, really works.
Although I agree with that I think the DX feud had reached a point where he needs to pit another team against them rather than it being him and Shane.
Vince has always been an exceptional heel in terms of charisma, but his act has become completely self-serving. I’d have no problems with his large role on the shows if he were acting as the puppeteer, with his puppets booked as strong as he was. But when you look back over the past coupla months’ worth of shows and realise that the only people to score significant points over DX were Vince and Shane, it’s pretty ridiculous. How much would help Edge, for example, to be allowed to beat down Michaels and Hunter so completely? Think of the heel heat he’d get for Pedigreeing HHH. Instead Vince is booked as a viable in-ring heel, and put over more than any other bad guy on the Raw brand.
So yeah, get him an extended hiatus, and transfer some of that heat onto someone who can actually wrestle. That’d fix alot.
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| Originally Posted by Murrow Vince has always been an exceptional heel in terms of charisma, but… |
Agreed. Completely.
Switching gears (I was putting this together as the first or second post, thus the quick editing…), according to TNA, tonight’s show has the following:
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Highlights from the AJ & Daniels/LAX rematch.
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Sting may or may not agree to the Career vs. Title stipulation at Bound for Glory
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Christian Cage will cut a heel promo, and fans will remain confused as to what the Hell is going on with the Jarrett/Zbyzsko/Cornette/etc. angle. If TNA could just kill the “face rebels vs. heel establishment” bullshit that was played out even five years ago…
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The Naturals vs. The Paparazzi. Douglas should be doing color commentary, at least.
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Abyss will kill some jobber.
Any thoughts? Mine are mostly negative towards the main event clusterfuck.
Sting needs to leave TNA. I nearly choked laughing during his Hard Justice promo, his wide eyed shoutiness was just Hilarious.
*Highlights* of the Style&Daniels/LAX rematch? That sucks. Christian’s interview could be interesting, though.
Vince’s impact is greater when he pops up once every few months. It gives it a whole “oh shit the boss is here” feel. Otherwise you have a 60 year old playing the top heel and while Flair has the chops to be a legit wrestler at that age, Vince doesn’t. Plus he was on tv 5 or 6 times last week. Its WAY too much.
TNA is a clusterfuck. Nothing good going on except some above average wrestling buttressed by absolutely nothing.
I really think the only way this DX feud would be justified is if it ended Vince and Shane’s in-ring involvement (including promos and figurehead roles) forever. Then, just stick with one GM per brand, and have them show up to lay down the law once every few weeks or so, maybe more.
I agree, three GMs (Raw, SD!, ECW) and Vince as the boss who shows up to law down the law one way or another.
Nah. No more Vince, IMO. There’s nowhere else for him to go.
Maybe he can return a few years down the road, as a complete surprise. With the right angle, that would be wonderful.
The problem is that none of the main heels really have Vince’s charisma. They are just best as muscle, maybe having Divari set up a massive all encompassing stable of heels could solve the problem.
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Vince does play a great character and adds alot when he’s on in spurts. Once every 5-6 months, like they had Jack Tunney in the 80s. Or otherwise just refer to Vince but not show him. I don’t know, Dario, you might be right.
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| Originally Posted by Spike Marshall The problem is that none of the main heels really have Vince’s charisma. They are just best as muscle, maybe having Divari set up a massive all encompassing stable of heels could solve the problem. |
Actually with Davari and Estrrrrrrada, (eventhough they’ve cut down his mic time) the heel maangers are coming back. On MSG last night seeing Heenan and Jimy Hart interact with Monsoon and each other was great. Really put over a couple of blah matches.
They need a strong face GM for Raw, to just wash away the repetitive taste of it being ruled by a tyrannical authority figure for the past four years. I’d suggest bringing back Bisch as an enlightened tough-but-fair kinda boss, but I think that train has sailed.
Also, positioning Edge & Nitro as the “new” DX, challenging HHH & HBK and claiming to be far more degenerate than them, has money written all over it. Those two most definitely have enough charisma to play off of the top faces.
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| Originally Posted by Murrow They need a strong face GM for Raw, to just wash away the repetitive taste of it being ruled by a tyrannical authority figure for the past four years. I’d suggest bringing back Bisch as an enlightened tough-but-fair kinda boss, but I think that train has sailed. Also, positioning Edge & Nitro as the “new” DX, challenging HHH & HBK and claiming to be far more degenerate than them, has money written all over it. Those two most definitely have enough charisma to play off of the top faces. |
Wow, two very good ideas. I loved Bisch as GM, prettuy dumb that he sits on the sidelines. He was very underrated as a character.
I don’t know if there’s a way to do a face GM… Teddy Long is the closest we’ll get, but he’s not really an engaging character, and I find him to be more often than not a poor use of TV time (then again, I find most WWE TV to be just so, as I’m still pissing and moaning about standard match times dwindling down to the 2-4 minute mark).
I will argue about the heels on RAW not having Vince charisma - scripting their promos has handcuffed a few of them (Edge, especially).
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| Originally Posted by Murrow They need a strong face GM for Raw, to just wash away the repetitive taste of it being ruled by a tyrannical authority figure for the past four years. I’d suggest bringing back Bisch as an enlightened tough-but-fair kinda boss, but I think that train has sailed. Also, positioning Edge & Nitro as the “new” DX, challenging HHH & HBK and claiming to be far more degenerate than them, has money written all over it. Those two most definitely have enough charisma to play off of the top faces. |
I was going to say the same thing, except it wont happen because they can’t seem to get away from the Cena/Edge feud.
Hell, bring back Slaughter as the GM. He played the “tough but fair” GM role pretty well. I even got a kick out of Foley when he was the GM and he brought that cactus and a gavel with him everywhere he went.
Unfortunately, since DX is still “selling tickets”, I would imagine that Vince & Shane will stay in the picture until DX is dissolved. This may even go on until the next Wrestlemania.
I think a face GM can be very effective, and as Long really only exists to book the matches I don’t see him as a waste of TV time. It’s not like he gets heavily involved in angles or anything. He’s the glue that holds the SmackDown booking together.
I think Bischoff could be very effective in that kind of role. Post-haircut in 2004 he was close to it, and was working a great tweener vibe. He could book matches, set folk straight, and generally just keep order. The shows have evolved to a point where having no authority figure just doesn’t work. They may as well try and make them as engaging yet unobtrusive as possible.