I always knew this was a great show, just never got around to watching it. I just got to the episode where Hickok was killed, I knew it would happen but just didn’t realize how quickly, man Carradine was awesome. Anyways, my question is, did he feel his end was coming? He wrote that letter to his wife, something he hadn’t done since the show started and he also wore his pistols in that red sash, something he hadn’t done before.
I haven’t seen it in a long while but remember thinking he definitely knew it was coming. In line with Jesse’s character in The Assassination of… I think the implication was that Hickok was just tired of living as the man he’d become.
I’m jealous. That is (mostly) such an enjoyable show.
Mostly? I loved every minute of that show.
Unless of course you’re just referring to the inevitable moments of heartbreak that come with any great HBO drama. Those certainly aren’t “enjoyable,” but damned if they’re not some of the most powerful moments in TV history.
Brom’s dawning realization that Dan was about to kill him and the delivery of, “Oh Dan, no…” was great. Olyphant is impressing me with Bullock and him and Sol are putting up that store rather quick.
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Weren’t nothin’ to do back in the day 'cept bust ass.
I just finished all three seasons and Deadwood has taken it’s seat behind The Wire as my second favorite drama series.
I don’t think Bill knew it was coming that fast. I took it as he finally let his guard down in the town and the letter was to let his wife know that he found a place where he could settle for a while.
No, he was tired of living. Charlie is killing himself to help Bill break free of his demons and what’s Bill’s response? “Charlie, can’t you let me go to hell in my own way?” (I’m paraphrasing). He’s tired of life. He’s tired of running from his past. Hell, he sits with his back to the door of the saloon… something he’d never done before. It was all but suicide.
My “mostly” goes to a few plot thread problems I have with the final season (no spoilers here for Callahan’s sake) but I don’t think I’ve seen another show with as many truly great characters. They could arguably have built the entire show around any number of characters in the 3 seasons of Deadwood - that’s something.
Any people on Directv who wish to relive the greatness, 101 has been showing repeats. Right now, halfway through the series, though. (middle of Season 2)
He also never sat with his back to the door, but chose to on that day, knowing there were people in the camp with hatred in their hearts and a hunger for a slice of his fame.
He had a sense it was coming.
Yeah, him noticeably not sitting with his back to a wall was the most damning evidence he just didn’t care anymore at least to me. Thanks for the opinions, can’t wait to get farther into the show!
You’re in for some great with Deadwood. I’ll take it over The Wire anyday, let alone any other HBO show. Once you get accustomed to the language, it’s amazing the amount of character and theme they fit into one line. Just wait for Wolcott to show up.
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| Originally Posted by thecallahan View Post I always knew this was a great show, just never got around to watching it. I just got to the episode where Hickok was killed, I knew it would happen but just didn’t realize how quickly, man Carradine was awesome. Anyways, my question is, did he feel his end was coming? He wrote that letter to his wife, something he hadn’t done since the show started and he also wore his pistols in that red sash, something he hadn’t done before. |
I myself have just rewatched season one recently and I’ll say this - did he know that Jack McCall specifically was going to kill him? I’d say no. Had he given up on the levels of self protection he may have once employed and styarted walking around as a man who was happy ‘going to hell the way he wanted’ - most definately yes.
Yeah he writes the letter, yeah he wears the cowboy sash, but the most telling part for me is when he sits down to play poker and for the first time is happy to take a chair where his back isn’t against a wall, where he can’t see who walks up behind him. Carradine plays this moment perfectly too, it’s like Bills bucking the habits of a lifetime when he sits in the chair he’ll die in, and then gets this resigned look on his face as he does.
Bill had just stopped caring whether he lived or died. He was done - and for a man with his standing and enough people gunning for him, that meant he was going to shuffle off pretty quick - be it by McCalls hand or whoever
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| Originally Posted by The Rain Dog View Post I myself have just rewatched season one recently and I’ll say this - did he know that Jack McCall specifically was going to kill him? I’d say no. Had he given up on the levels of self protection he may have once employed and styarted walking around as a man who was happy ‘going to hell the way he wanted’ - most definately yes. Yeah he writes the letter, yeah he wears the cowboy sash, but the most telling part for me is when he sits down to play poker and for the first time is happy to take a chair where his back isn’t against a wall, where he can’t see who walks up behind him. Carradine plays this moment perfectly too, it’s like Bills bucking the habits of a lifetime when he sits in the chair he’ll die in, and then gets this resigned look on his face as he does. Bill had just stopped caring whether he lived or died. He was done - and for a man with his standing and enough people gunning for him, that meant he was going to shuffle off pretty quick - be it by McCalls hand or whoever |
Exactly. It’s not for nothing that a prior episode had him surviving an attempt on his life, through hyper-vigilance, at that same poker table (but a different seat).
Beyond what rain dog just said, if you go back to the immediate scene you’ll actually see that Bill takes note of someone coming through the door. He knew it was coming. You can see it here, right at the beginning:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0t1U...eature=related
Getting the next to discs today, I didn’t know Veronica Mars was in this, and she’s trying to rip of Cy and Al, that can’t be a good decision on her part. And thanks for the link Jack, good proof that he knew something was coming. Rudd, this has a long way to go before it takes over The Wire, at least for me. I mean I can already tell it’s awesome and the language I’m used to since I’ve seen Milch’s JFC so I’m used to the style. I just wish this was on Netflix Watch it now since I only get two discs at a time, it’ll take a while to get through it all (I’m on a Deadliest Catch bender with watch it now option).
I seriously need to rewatch this. Seeing the clip from Deadwood when Cutty was in the hospital in The Wire got the itch going again. And I never did finish Season 3.
Yeah, I’m the lone holdout on The Wire. I just finished season 3, and while I recognize the intrinsic greatness of what they’re doing, especially in regards to it’s committment to theme and character, it never blew shit up the way Deadwood did.
I’m sure it’s a matter of taste. I love the Western mileiu, I love the incredible collection of character actors, and I love the theatrical nature of the language. I described it here once as Shakespeare and David Mamet collborating on Tombstone. And not just because of all the heightened language and cocksucking. It’s full of the themes they both tackled repeatedly. Alma Garrett is totally a Mamet woman. She even resembles Rebecca Pidgeon, but she’s better looking and a brilliant actress.
Season 2 is the greatest (again, Wolcott). Season 3 has a couple go-nowhere plotlines, but the central one with Hearst plays out like sort of like There Will Be Blood meets Dallas.
I’m due to rewatch this, for real.
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| Originally Posted by The Rain Dog View Post I myself have just rewatched season one recently and I’ll say this - did he know that Jack McCall specifically was going to kill him? I’d say no. Had he given up on the levels of self protection he may have once employed and styarted walking around as a man who was happy ‘going to hell the way he wanted’ - most definately yes. Yeah he writes the letter, yeah he wears the cowboy sash, but the most telling part for me is when he sits down to play poker and for the first time is happy to take a chair where his back isn’t against a wall, where he can’t see who walks up behind him. Carradine plays this moment perfectly too, it’s like Bills bucking the habits of a lifetime when he sits in the chair he’ll die in, and then gets this resigned look on his face as he does. Bill had just stopped caring whether he lived or died. He was done - and for a man with his standing and enough people gunning for him, that meant he was going to shuffle off pretty quick - be it by McCalls hand or whoever |
Yeah, i rewatched the episode last night and I was dead wrong.
I don’t really wanna have to ever choose between [ı]Deadwood[/i] and The Wire.