A few months ago a farmer was shot by an illegal just for trying to save him from dehydration. This true american hero had saved countless illegals from a similar fate.
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| Originally Posted by Some random guy View Post A few months ago a farmer was shot by an illegal just for trying to save him from dehydration. This true american hero had saved countless illegals from a similar fate. |
Well, that’s enough for me. Bring on the fascism!
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| Originally Posted by Some random guy View Post A few months ago a farmer was shot by an illegal just for trying to save him from dehydration. This true american hero had saved countless illegals from a similar fate. |
And I guess now it is rendered illegal for true American heroes to save them from dehydration by means of transporting them. Or is this just a No Country For Old Men scenario of compassion?
Yes, now I can ask for someone’s papers before I offer them a water from my fridge, just to be sure they’re a real American.
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| Originally Posted by yt View Post Notice how there’s never any mention of penalizing anyone who hires undocumented workers, as if supply exists without demand. |
Arizona actually has a system in place already in regards to businesses who receive sizeable fines if they hire somebody (even for a day) and don’t run them through some system first which verifies their citizenship. It looks to me like they’re more concerned about the day laborers who congregate in multiple areas of the city hoping to find work for a day either from individuals or contractors who are small enough that they just ignore the laws.
I’m not sure how far away from McCain’s election stance this is anyhow. His point during the election was that we really make minimal effort to stop people from crossing the border, and we make zero effort to find them once they’ve crossed illegally, so it makes no sense to act tough on people who have been here for years. His idea was basically to give blanket citizenship to those who were already here, and then move forward with better patrolling of the border and doing a better job of trying to find people who crossed illegally after the citizenship date.
So essentially he got no traction on the citizenship part, but he’s able to get some push on trying to do a better job of locating illegals after they’ve crossed. I’m not saying it’s good, I’m saying it’s really not that far from where he started.
As far as somebody asking about how bad the situation is in Arizona, I’d guess it’s no worse than most of the border states. The main difference is that this state is still conservative even though it wants to appear maverick. The Goldwater legacy is alive and well. Do bad things happen because of illegals? Absolutely, probably at just about the same rate as any citizens. Things like the farmer being shot get a LOT of run here though, and it’s easy to rile people up and pretend that our state ills can be blamed on somebody.
America reign in the corporations and banks that are sucking you dry!
Next time you all don’t pay through the fucking nose as bad as you COULD be for an orange, watermelon, pickle, cucumber, etc… you should take a stroll through some of the farms in Florida (and I’d wager they’re about the same everywhere else).
They won’t ever REALLY come down on the people that employ illegals. And if they ever did, these same conservative assholes are going to be doing a WHOLE lot more whining and moaning about the price of goods than they ever were about illegals. The shittiest part it, they all know this. It’s just a game of tough-guy posturing.
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| Originally Posted by joeypants View Post They won’t ever REALLY come down on the people that employ illegals. And if they ever did, these same conservative assholes are going to be doing a WHOLE lot more whining and moaning about the price of goods than they ever were about illegals. The shittiest part it, they all know this. It’s just a game of tough-guy posturing. |
This sfm.
Also, this:
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| In July of 2007, Prince William County, Virginia became “ground zero” in America’s explosive battle over immigration policy when elected officials adopted a law requiring police officers to question anyone they thought was “probably” undocumented. 9500 Liberty reveals the startling vulnerability of a local government targeted by national anti-immigration networks using the Internet to frighten and intimidate lawmakers and citizens. Alarmed by a climate of fear and racial division, residents form a resistance using YouTube videos and virtual townhalls, setting up a real life showdown in the seat of county government. The devastating social and economic impact of the “Immigration Resolution” is felt in the lives of real people in homes and in local businesses. But the ferocious fight to adopt and then reverse this policy unfolds inside government chambers, on the streets, and on the Internet. 9500 Liberty provides a front row seat to all three battlegrounds. |
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| Originally Posted by joeypants View Post Next time you all don’t pay through the fucking nose as bad as you COULD be for an orange, watermelon, pickle, cucumber, etc… you should take a stroll through some of the farms in Florida (and I’d wager they’re about the same everywhere else). They won’t ever REALLY come down on the people that employ illegals. And if they ever did, these same conservative assholes are going to be doing a WHOLE lot more whining and moaning about the price of goods than they ever were about illegals. The shittiest part it, they all know this. It’s just a game of tough-guy posturing. |
Not exactly true. Most of our major farms are WAY down south near Yuma. The produce companies actually have a way around the system in taking the time and energy to bus employees from across the border to do the work for a day and then bus them back to the border each night. I’m not even sure what the logistics are behind it, but it’s legal and as far as I know they don’t have to follow US minimum wage requirements.
There are other farms near the metropolitan areas but I’m fairly certain all of those follow the guidelines. See, the fines are pretty nuts and you couple that with Joe Arpaio who is so intent on having his name in the news as “America’s Toughest Sheriff” that I can’t imagine those farms risking it. He already stages traffic stops and the like in different areas of the city on a regular basis looking for illegals and somehow avoiding lawsuits on racial profiling while still ending up on the news with people complaining about racial profiling. That guy lives for publicity, and if he thought there was a chance of shutting some farm down under the law he’d take it in a heartbeat.
We drew a line here and said “You can’t cross it and if you do you’re a criminal” is one of the most bullshit rationalizations for the mistreatment of our fellow human beings we’ve ever had the misfortune of dreaming up.
We are a nation of fucking immigrants! Do people not get this shit? Unless your ancestors were hunting buffalo herds on the Great Plains, dropping peyote in the desert to commune with God or creating a proto-marxist society in the Hudson River Valley you can just shut the fuck up about illegal immigration. But hey, it’s much easier to oppress someone out of fear and because certain interests have created boogiemen to ward you away from the real problems facing human society.
In closing, fuck Arizona and fuck the people in this country who support this bullshit.
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| Originally Posted by A-Pathetic View Post He already stages traffic stops and the like in different areas of the city on a regular basis looking for illegals and somehow avoiding lawsuits on racial profiling while still ending up on the news with people complaining about racial profiling. That guy lives for publicity, and if he thought there was a chance of shutting some farm down under the law he’d take it in a heartbeat. |
I seriously hope that cocksucker dies a horrible death. Today if possible. Oh my, how I hate that hypocritical asshole.
Raped and murdered slowly by his own prisoners would be nice. Or by his own family.
Not that it should be a surprise to anyone here but the Tea Parties are all for it!
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/rig...he_arizon.html
*From the Arizona Tea Party’s page on how to rally for the bill:
We are asking for you to spread the word to see if anyone is available to come down there… to show your support of the bill.*
So much for opposition to government intrusion into your lives…
Achtung, Arizona. Jesus wept.
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| “We must enforce the law evenly, and without regard to skin color, accent, or social status,” she said. “We must prove the alarmists and the cynics wrong.” |
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_549931.html
What a load of shit! Yeah, all these Europeans sneaking into Arizona across the desert…ROFLMAO
Seriously, what does this really mean? Do I have to carry my US passport when traveling to this state (And believe me, I’ll avoid going to Arizona at all costs if possible)?
Is it constitutional for a cop to see me and decide to question me for my freaking citizenship, I don’t understand the practicality of this law. And I’m horribly disappointed in McCain, he really sold everything out during the election, but is doing nothing to redeem himself now.
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| Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post Seriously, what does this really mean? Do I have to carry my US passport when traveling to this state (And believe me, I’ll avoid going to Arizona at all costs if possible)? Is it constitutional for a cop to see me and decide to question me for my freaking citizenship, I don’t understand the practicality of this law. And I’m horribly disappointed in McCain, he really sold everything out during the election, but is doing nothing to redeem himself now. |
Like I said, Sherriff Joe was essentially already doing this. All they did was legalize what he was doing (and what he claimed was legal already). It’s shocking that our state is in such dire financial straits as we continually do everything possible to alienate people and encourage out of staters to do everything in their power to drive around our state on the way to California.
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| Originally Posted by Gatorboy View Post So much for opposition to government intrusion into your lives… |
Come on, it’s OK for the government to intrude if you want to have an abortion, if you’re gay and want to get married, or if you look sufficiently Hispanic to have your citizenship questioned. How are those not acceptable exceptions?
$1000 to the first cop in Arizona who questions a blonde-haired blue-eyed person they suspect might be here illegally. I suspect it’ll be safe.
Truck driver forced to show birth certificate claims racial-profiling
Greg Palast’s investigation has shown that this is about intimidating and disenfranchising legal voters of latino origins.
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| In 2008, working for Rolling Stone with civil rights attorney Bobby Kennedy, our team flew to Arizona to investigate what smelled like an electoral pogrom against Chicano voters … directed by one Jan Brewer. Brewer, then Secretary of State, had organized a racially loaded purge of the voter rolls that would have made Katherine Harris blush. Beginning after the 2004 election, under Brewer’s command, no less than 100,000 voters, overwhelming Hispanics, were blocked from registering to vote. In 2005, the first year of the Great Brown-Out, one in three Phoenix residents found their registration applications rejected. That statistic caught my attention. Voting or registering to vote if you’re not a citizen is a felony, a big-time jail-time crime. And arresting such criminal voters is easy: after all, they give their names and addresses. So I asked Brewer’s office, had she busted a single one of these thousands of allegedly illegal voters? Did she turn over even one name to the feds for prosecution? No, not one. Which raises the question: were these disenfranchised voters the criminal, non-citizens Brewer tagged them, or just not-quite-white voters given the José Crow treatment, entrapped in document-chase trickery? The answer was provided by a federal prosecutor who was sent on a crazy hunt all over the Western mesas looking for these illegal voters. “We took over 100 complaints, we investigated for almost 2 years, I didn’t find one prosecutable voter fraud case.” This prosecutor, David Iglesias, is a prosecutor no more. When he refused to fabricate charges of illegal voting among immigrants, his firing was personally ordered by the President of the United States, George W. Bush, under orders from his boss, Karl Rove. Iglesias’ jurisdiction was next door, in New Mexico, but he told me that Rove and the Republican chieftains were working nationwide to whip up anti-immigrant hysteria with public busts of illegal voters, even though there were none. “They wanted some splashy pre-election indictments,” Iglesias told me. The former prosecutor, himself a Republican, paid the price when he stood up to this vicious attack on citizenship. |
The rest is here.
ps. don’t bother discrediting Palast. You may not like his style but his investigative reporting is solid. So, before you attack him, prove him wrong.
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| Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post Truck driver forced to show birth certificate claims racial-profiling http://www.azfamily.com/video/featur...-91769419.html |
Well that didn’t take long.