Yesterday we were reminded why Lost is great.
Fantastic episode.
The book we saw was way too thin to be either edition of The Stand.
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| Originally Posted by Fazer I am curious where the black chick Other from the season finale went? |
She was in the “book club” room.
Juliet’s comments at the episode’s beginnings continue to echo one of the essential themes of the show: “And here I thought we had free will,” or something along those lines.
Methinks that free will vs. determinism will rear it’s unsolvable head this season. Can people ever really change? Or are we doomed to repeat our mistakes out of an inability to do so?
Jack certainly hasn’t learned much up til now, and Julie’s comment ("You’re stubborn"
summed his character up amazingly succinctly.
As for the question of brainwashing…I don’t think it’s that simple.
When Ben tells Kate that the next two weeks are going to be unpleasant, I’m fairly sure that he’s not threatening/warning her about herself, as much as he’s referring to what she’s going to learn being fairly unpleasant.
Whether that’s about the Others, the island, or just herself (if they have a lifefile on Jack, then they’ve got one on Kate, too) remains to be seen.
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| Originally Posted by Dross I’m leaning towards the fact that he was an Other. |
The ‘he’ there means Jack’s dad. I’m wondering if he is an other, and that has some impact on why he and Jack’s wife were talking on the phone.
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| Originally Posted by Sacrilicious Supersucker Is everyone sure they were reading Carrie? I was assuming it was The Stand, judging by the criticism being thrown at it concerning the religious aspects, plus the fact that fan speculation was of Lost turning into the Stand early on. Lindlehoff did mention it as an inspiration in an early interview, didn’t he? |
That’s Carrie.
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| Originally Posted by Dross I’m leaning towards the fact that he was an Other. |
“When asked about how characters on the islands all had fathers who were in positions of power or wealthy (Locke, Jack, Sun, Kate, etc., etc.) they said they couldn’t really get into that but told the person asking that he was “asking the right question.”
http://www.lostblog.net/lost/tv/show...c-con-spoilers
its looking more and more likely
Anyone else think there might be some significance of Carrie being Juliette’s “favorite book” and the power the character develops in the book?
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| Originally Posted by Jesse Custer Juliet’s comments at the episode’s beginnings continue to echo one of the essential themes of the show: “And here I thought we had free will,” or something along those lines. Methinks that free will vs. determinism will rear it’s unsolvable head this season. Can people ever really change? Or are we doomed to repeat our mistakes out of an inability to do so? Jack certainly hasn’t learned much up til now, and Julie’s comment ("You’re stubborn"Wink summed his character up amazingly succinctly. As for the question of brainwashing…I don’t think it’s that simple. When Ben tells Kate that the next two weeks are going to be unpleasant, I’m fairly sure that he’s not threatening/warning her about herself, as much as he’s referring to what she’s going to learn being fairly unpleasant. Whether that’s about the Others, the island, or just herself (if they have a lifefile on Jack, then they’ve got one on Kate, too) remains to be seen. |
Love your theory. It’s much better than a brainwashing scenario. But it still doesn’t explain the kidnapping of kids and selected adults. Whats the difference between those they want and those they don’t?
During the “previously on Lost” bit, I heard the Ana-Lucia quote about how the Others took three of them, then came back and took nine. And now there’s a show on right after Lost by the same producer called The Nine.
Hmmmm…
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| Originally Posted by Jason P. Thompson Anyone else think there might be some significance of Carrie being Juliette’s “favorite book” and the power the character develops in the book? |
I think it’s more likely a thematic thing…Carrie rebelling against the orthodoxy she grew up with.
Maybe Juliet just had a really bad experience at the prom.
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| Originally Posted by Jesse Custer As for the question of brainwashing…I don’t think it’s that simple. When Ben tells Kate that the next two weeks are going to be unpleasant, I’m fairly sure that he’s not threatening/warning her about herself, as much as he’s referring to what she’s going to learn being fairly unpleasant. |
Yeah, I agree. Brainwashing seems too black and white for this show. It would paint the Others as less ambiguous, more specifically “bad,” at a point in the series when the writers seem to be taking us in exactly the opposite direction.
I took Jack, Kate, and Sawyer’s scenarios as more thought experiment type things. Carl was certainly a plant, Jack’s initial attempt to overtake Juliet was entirely expected, and even Ben telling Kate that the next two weeks are going to be unpleasant might simply be stimuli to get her to act a certain way toward Sawyer and Jack. Everything that’s happened to them thus far has been entirely planned - they’re being manipulated for specific results, but I don’t think it’s something as simple as “brainwashing.”
Honestly, this notion kind of hurt the show for me. Knowing that everything we’re learning about the Others at the moment may be deliberately planted by them for the sake of experimentation kind of takes the “reveal” out of the reveals. The best part of the episode was the pre-credit sequence, since we at least got a feel for what was “real” about the Others. Henry/Ben was the MVP overall.
I don’t think this counts as spoiler material, since it was all over the press when she was cast, but Juliette is definitely supposed to be a potential love interest for Jack. Also, Sarah was still played by Julie Bowen. I didn’t think she looked different at all.
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| Originally Posted by PodBayDoor I think it’s more likely a thematic thing…Carrie rebelling against the orthodoxy she grew up with. |
I was thinking more about Walt in this instance.
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| Originally Posted by DaveB Also, Sarah was still played by Julie Bowen. I didn’t think she looked different at all. |
Thanks. I really didn’t recognize her at all. Maybe it was her hair. She wore it up a lot.
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| Originally Posted by Fazer EDIT: Anyone else get a Planet of the Apes vibe from the Sawyer scenes? I was waiting for someone to call him “bright eyes”. The music also seemed vaguely reminiscent of the POTA score. |
I actually said that out loud when it was happening…“hey, that’s just like Planet of the Apes…”
Every visual clue says the book is Carrie, but the verbal clues do seem to point more towards The Stand. It’s got a lot more “religious hokum” in it than Carries does, or at least, it’s presented more positively than Carrie’s mother’s fanatical devotion.
Here’s something I wonder about – when Juliet is play “Downtown,” she seems to be trying to force herself to be happy. She almost looks like she’s just finished crying and even seems to almost break down again. What happened just previously?
I love a little Lost with my Commercials.
Was it just me or were there more breaks in this show than ever? Maybe it’s a testament to how great the show is but it seriously felt like they went to break every 5 minutes.
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| Why can’t people, you know, act a little less dramatic? Why can’t people say, don’t open that door, because there’s water on the other side? Why can’t Lost behave like some of the episodic television on HBO? With realism in characterization on the level of say, Stephen King? I’m still watching. I could go at any time. I think the answer to my second question is because cockteasing is what Lost does best. |
I tend to agree with you here.
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| Originally Posted by Richard Dickson Here’s something I wonder about – when Juliet is play “Downtown,” she seems to be trying to force herself to be happy. She almost looks like she’s just finished crying and even seems to almost break down again. What happened just previously? |
I thought she was going to comment suicide when I saw her arranging the chairs. Turns out she was just psyching herself up for the book club. Although she did seem quite preoccupied during the meeting. Her mind was clearly somewhere else.
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| Originally Posted by Diva I thought she was going to comment suicide when I saw her arranging the chairs. Turns out she was just psyching herself up for the book club. Although she did seem quite preoccupied during the meeting. Her mind was clearly somewhere else. |
Yeah, I was expecting a hanging there for a few seconds, myself. She definitely has some issues. Maybe she was just ill at ease because they were having a meeting (maybe for the first time?) without Ben?