Originally Posted by Schwartz I dunno, is the Others knew all about Desmond and the Hatch, and it was necessary for the continuation of their utopia, it seems extremely unlikely that they would just trust that a single, increasingly unstable man would never miss a time with the button or just give up. Plus there is Benry telling Locke that he didn’t push the button that one time, which was apparently a lie, but could only increase the chance that it wouldn’t be pushed in the future. What he and the rest of the Others (and I would differentiate between the two) knew about the hatch and button is still up in the air, but that particular theory doesn’t fit very well.
Well, I wasn’t saying pushing the button was the direct source of their utopia, but, obviously, Desmond’s failure to push it does result in some very real consequences for Ben’s gang (earthquake, a bunch of uninvited guests via wayward airplane). It’s been established that Desmond’s role was more than that of lab rat - he was unwittingly performing an important service for the stability of the Others’ community.
Originally Posted by Diva I also agree it would be Kate, but only because they said she was one of the “good” ones (or am I confusing her with Ana Lucia?).
They have yet to register their opinion on Kate. They said LOCKE was one of the good ones and that Ana-Lucia was one of the bad ones (although Goodwin disagreed).
As for my “Stepford” comment, I wasn’t referring to brainwashing as much as them trying to force a 50s commercialism world, no matter how poorly the fit (like their suburban community in the middle of the island). But I definitely think that Juliette’s comment regarding the next couple weeks of “unpleasantness”.
Originally Posted by g-dude From halfway around the world? The hotel manager opened the door to his dad’s room and was with him when he discovered the body. What would even put the shadow of a hint of this theory in your head?
They didnt find the body in the hotel room, Jack was called or something to identify the body at the morgue. The body wasnt in the hotel room.
As far as the episode, I was a little non-plussed. The opening was interesting, although fairly predictable ( I don’t know about you, but everyone I was with immediately said, “They’re on the island”, and it turned out to be right.
And beyond the hydra station/aquarium, we learned very little new information (and who didn’t already expect some sort of zoological hatch, based on the experiments we’ve heard of).
And while I enjoy seeing more of the Others, etc, I am again fairly annoyed that they are going to take three episodes to fill us in on the finale’s cliffhangers. I think its pretty obnoxious that I have to wait three episodes to even hear word about desmond, Eko, Locke, and the hatch. And who knows when we’ll actually see hurley arrive back at camp with the bad news (although episode three seems likely).
I just don’t understand how the best show in tv is unable develop plot lines simultaneously/concurrently.
Originally Posted by Brechtsky I just don’t understand how the best show in tv is unable develop plot lines simultaneously/concurrently.
Maybe, because it forces us to change our perception of what a TV series should be and because it devotes so much time to each particular plotline - it is the best show on TV.
Of course, the above also makes it the most frustrating TV show - but in a good way.
Originally Posted by PodBayDoor One thing that just occurred to me was how nonplussed the Others were by the earthquake that interrupted the book club meeting. They weren’t any more disturbed by it than your average Californian–maybe even less so. Since the anomaly caused the quake, what inferences are we supposed to draw?
Well, its happened before right? Weren’t Rousseau and her ship; the Nigerian plane; and the Black Rock all pulled to the island by the anomoly?
Originally Posted by Brian Wehman Maybe, because it forces us to change our perception of what a TV series should be and because it devotes so much time to each particular plotline - it is the best show on TV. Of course, the above also makes it the most frustrating TV show - but in a good way.
Yeah, but that’s their job. I understand episodes like the other 48 days, that turn the show on its head, so to speak, but I don’t think this is a case of them breaking the mold.
Its a case of them finding it easier to create an episode wiht all the beats and steps necessary by only focusing on one aspect. I mean, I think the flashbacks hinder my argument, as they lend themselves to a singular focus, but I think its cheap to string the cliffhangers from last season all through the month of october.
Originally Posted by Matt Goldberg That’s fuckin’ great, Fazer.
thank you sir.
I also forgot to mention that I think the others are trying to get sawyer and kate to mate.
I also agree that I think Benry and Juliette were married at one point, but there is an obvious schism now. Benry also closed that door real quick not even giving juliette a chance to get there when Jack flooded the hydra station. I was quickly reminded of the Renny Harlin classic “deep blue sea” when juliette mentioned they kept sharks in the hydra station…super smart sharks?
Originally Posted by Fazer thank you sir. I also forgot to mention that I think the others are trying to get sawyer and kate to mate. I also agree that I think Benry and Juliette were married at one point, but there is an obvious schism now. Benry also closed that door real quick not even giving juliette a chance to get there when Jack flooded the hydra station. I was quickly reminded of the Renny Harlin classic “deep blue sea” when juliette mentioned they kept sharks in the hydra station…super smart sharks?
I really like the mating theory, although it’ll be hard to impregnate her from the other cell. And also, it seems unlikely they’d pursue ANOTHER pregnancy/baby plotline.
I like where everyone’s going with juliette and benry’s (truly great, fazer)past, but I just don’t buy the marriage. I liked the theory someone posed about her disagreeing with their methods. But even then, I think it has to go beyond, because she broke down for a second at the beginning in front of the mirror, and I think that is a sign of something more important and tragic, like for example, the loss of a child, or something.
One supposition on Ben/Henry’s knowledge of the boat or lack there of. Perhaps it could be possible that they have no knowledge of Desmond arriving on the island, or the death of Inman (Clancy Brown). It could be possible that they think he’s the one that has been down there pressing the button. Again just a supposition upon reading this thread. Feel free to dispute.
Everytime I watch “Lost”, and last night was no exception, I feel like Homer Simpson watching “Twin Peaks” (and I’m paraphrasing here): “Brilliant. I have no idea what’s going on, but it’s brilliant.”
Does anyone else think that Juliet may have been lying about having a file on Jack’s life? The Other have proven themselves to be pretty good at social engineering and mindgames. Did she really say anything that couldn’t have been gleaned from other things Jack has said and done over the course of the 60+ days on the island?
I guess if the file is real, it means the Others have a pretty sophisticated set-up somewhere on the island or really close.
I assumed that Benry and Juliet were recently separated, due to their interactions and the opening sequence. If that is played off later as some big reveal, I’ll be disappointed.
I don’t mind about episodes focusing on one storyline at at time, as jumping back and forth every episode would seem to drag the pace (already too slow for some) to glacial levels. Also, it allows the audience to work through things with the characters since they’re operating with roughly the same amount of information (this is getting harder and harder to maintain, though). The only time it is really annoying is when one episode ends on a particularly great cliffhanger and the next doesn’t even acknowledge it. I remember the Rose and Bernard episode doing this last year, but it happened in S1 also.
And as far as the button/hatch thing goes, I’m still inclined to believe that the Others knew less about the whole thing than Benry would like to let on. If pushing the button was at all important to their plans and they knew it, trusting it to Desmond exposed them to a hugely unnecessary risk.
I don’t trust anything I see in the trailers, so I’m putting no faith in Henry’s remarks about the boat. These guys always set up stuff in the commercials that ends up going in a different direction.
I read on another board (TWOP) that several people thought that Jack’s patient in one of the flashbacks last night was Zeke. I didn’t notice. Did anyone happen to catch that?
I don’t suppose there’s anyone familiar enough with the Dickens novel to analyze the episode title, “A Tale of Two Cities.” It’s been well over a decade for me.
Anything beyond “It was the best of times, it was the worst of times” ring out, plot- or character-wise?
I am also doubting how much the Others knew about inman and eventually desmond’s exploits in the hatch. They referred to the other stations not working like they were supposed to “a long time ago”. Maybe they had no idea what was going on in the other stations, and had no clue how important pushing the button actually was until Desmond caused the plane crash.
There was also no reference to the “incident” that they often talked about in the Dharma films from S2 also.
Originally Posted by Brechtsky I really like the mating theory, although it’ll be hard to impregnate her from the other cell. And also, it seems unlikely they’d pursue ANOTHER pregnancy/baby plotline.
you gotta butter up the woman with like nice words and shit…at least thats how I have read it works.
Originally Posted by Fazer I am also doubting how much the Others knew about inman and eventually desmond’s exploits in the hatch. They referred to the other stations not working like they were supposed to “a long time ago”. Maybe they had no idea what was going on in the other stations, and had no clue how important pushing the button actually was until Desmond caused the plane crash. There was also no reference to the “incident” that they often talked about in the Dharma films from S2 also.
Inman, and then Desmond, also referred to the Others as “the Hostiles.” Presumably so did Razinsky before Inman. I don’t think there was much cross-communication going on. Though obviously, it seems, they both have their roots in the Dharma Initiative.
Maybe there was some great Dharma sectarian schism in the distant past. The “incident” at the Swan at least predates 1980, the copyright date on the orientation film. That’s 24 years-plus of button-pushing; who knows at what point the Others split off from, or cut off, the other stations.