The X-Files

Watching Seasons 3 and 4 right now. The standalone episodes still tend to stand the test of time. Even after all these years.

In retrospect, Scully remains a kind of role model. A strong, confident woman that adamently believes in science. Very admirable even now.

It’s also nice to know that the Muler and Scully’s relationship will remain strong even 10 yrs later . As seen in the X-Files: I Want To Believe movie. Watching that film was like revisiting a few old friends. Almost made me forgive its many flaws.

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Originally Posted by Busey View Post From memory … Good first season. They were warming up for the second, which was by far the best. Still, some great episodes, like the Pilot. Excellent second season. One of the best seasons ever on television, if not for the episodes “Jose Chung’s Doomsday Defense” and “Somehow Satan Got Behind Me” alone. Absolutely loved the first episode, “The Beginning and the End”. Fantastic episode to end the season as well (“The Time is Now”, I believe it was called); pretend the show ends there and you’ll be fine. Bad third season. Just dull overall and not very engaging. Wasn’t a huge fan of the partner they teamed up with Frank; she simply wasn’t all that interesting, nor did I think she really had much chemistry with Frank ala Mulder and Scully.

The second season was great. They really screwed up the third season by taking Morgan and Wong of the show and getting them back to work on X-Files again.

AMy favorite scene in I Want To Believe, as ultimately small and disappoint as that film is in some respects, is the one beautiful scene towards the end of the first act, with Scully and Mulder sleeping in bed together, and they don’t comment on it but it’s obvious they’ve been a couple since the show concluded, and they share a nice little moment where Scully says can’t sleep and Muld encourages her to talk about what is troubling her, and so she is talking about her problems and their relationship as the camera lingers on one of Gillian Anderson’s eyes (in a lovely and subtle bit of acting) and right as she’s about to go to sleep, her eye opens back up and she happens to mention that the one thing still troubling her is the mysterious presence of animal tranquilizers in the severed arm they’d earlier recovered. Within seconds, Mulder pops out of bed, announcing that now he can’t sleep, going to the bathroom to get water only to slam his fist against the wall, demanding answers from no one in particular: “Why would there have been animal tranquilizers in that arm?!?”

To see Mulder and Scully enjoy a long awaited moment of domesticity, only to have them so easily fall back into a world of morbid intrigue and danger, was both funny and gratifying for me as a long time fan.

If only the rest of the film hadn’t kept Mulder and Scully apart it would have felt like more of a ‘getting the team back together’ reunion flick with Skinner there at the end.

I love that scene – then again I love the whole movie. But you left out one detail: When he kisses her, she comments on his beard. He goes to the bathroom and shaves off his beard. I really hope XF3 happens. It would be a huge shame if it didn’t.

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I love that scene – then again I love the whole movie. But you left out one detail: When he kisses her, she comments on his beard. He goes to the bathroom and shaves off his beard. I really hope XF3 happens. It would be a huge shame if it didn’t.

Awesome, thanks for the correction, YT. I love that the movie exists, and that for two hours in 2008 I was able to visit with old friends I’d long thought gone forever. I just think it could be much stronger, and I hate that they missed their window for a film about the 2012 invasion. I think that scene is definitely the film’s strongest though. Mulder’s reaction to the news about animal tranquilizers is just too much fun, as is Scully’s exhausted exasperation as she realizes she’s sent him careening off on another search for the truth.

Are we now being colonized? Or has it already happened? My theory? There was too much public ‘doomsday’ sentiment about 2012 for the government to pull out a pre arranged disaster and bring in FEMA to kick off the colonization of our planet. If shit had actually gone down on 12/22/12, people everywhere would have panicked. They’re going to wait a year or two till no one is paying attention. Smile

I know! Or maybe the destruction of the Arctic operation pushed it forward a year? Who knows. But there’s still an opening!

The thing about I Want to Believe is that it wasn’t a “myth-arc” episode; it was a monster of the week for sure (and actually reminiscent to Beyond the Sea structurally and thematically). They kept a tight lid on it throughout production, so I think everyone expected it to be about aliens and reacted as if betrayed when it wasn’t. What I liked about it was all the Mulder and Scully stuff (and Skinner). But it had a really cool, scary, creepy vibe, and that darkness, “the look” that was so powerful during the series. Also: shot in Vancouver.

But I’d give anything to see XF3 get made.

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I know! Or maybe the destruction of the Arctic operation pushed it forward a year? Who knows. But there’s still an opening!

The thing about I Want to Believe is that it wasn’t a “myth-arc” episode; it was a monster of the week for sure (and actually reminiscent to Beyond the Sea structurally and thematically). They kept a tight lid on it throughout production, so I think everyone expected it to be about aliens and reacted as if betrayed when it wasn’t. What I liked about it was all the Mulder and Scully stuff (and Skinner). But it had a really cool, scary, creepy vibe, and that darkness, “the look” that was so powerful during the series. Also: shot in Vancouver.

But I’d give anything to see XF3 get made.

Very possible! Or perhaps Mulder was at work behind the scenes, and he and Scully are responsible for our planet’s continued uncolonized state. " id=“yui_3_7_3_1_1362153522133_1016” rel=“http://files.chud.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif”> There is definitely still time for X-Files 3… they were discussing it as recently as last summer, so I’ll keep a candle burning just in case.

" rel=“http://files.chud.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif”>I appreciate the idea of a Monster of the Week movie, and I think Chris Carter was right that it was the best way to go rather than try to make a mythology movie on a reduced budget. I think there is definitely a good deal of creepy oddness at hand in I Want To Believe, but somehow the film feels a great deal like an episode of television (7th season X files or thereabouts), and while it’s got some very solid atmosphere, I don’t feel like the tension was successfully ratcheted up over the course of the film. I like quite a bit about the movie, and I am glad we got another X Files film, I just wish it could have been a bit better (from my perspective). If you’re going with the Monster of the Week concept, the film should stand alone as a monster film without the X Files elements. As much as there is to enjoy in I Want To Believe, I don’t think I’d be terribly interested without Mulder and Scully there.

Ideally I’d love to get a really solid stand alone horror film - like The Descent or The Ninth Gate or Final Destination or Below or something, and then have the bonus that it is an X Files story with Mulder and Scully there to front it.

I rewatched the final episode last night, by the way, and over all I thought it was not quite what you’d have hoped for, but pretty solid over all. The final scenes were really excellent (like the Smoking Man’s final scene, where he says the only power left to him is the power to break Mulder’s spirit), especially Mulder’s speech in the motel room about having failed to accomplish anything once he got the truth.

PS Am I alone in thinking Kersh let them escape so they could get killed on the run? That’s why he told them to go to Canada. I don’t believe that he’d refuse to hear evidence that would have proved Mulder’s innocence only to then risk jail or death in helping them escape.

I just started watching this show for the first time back in November and now I’m halfway through Season 5. This season has some of my favorite episodes so far: Detour (the one with the invisible red-eyed monsters), Post-Modern Prometheus and Bad Blood.

Ravi, agree, season 5 is a good one. Those are all great episodes. I’d give anything to see the entire run for the first time.

Dr. Harford, all your criticism is valid. I have my own problems with it but, frankly, the great things about the movie outweigh the bad, even the bizarre choice to make the villains gay, make one of them an abuse survivor, and make all of their victims women. In terms of the series finale, I love CSM’s death, love everything about that character and how he meets his end. I don’t think Kersh was setting them up – I think it was Chris Carter’s sentimentality talking, not wanting a longtime character who has not been explicitly shown to be in on any conspiracies to go out as a baddie. The thing about the finale is that I first watched TXF during its initial run, having discovered it by chance early on in its first season. At that time, I thought seasons 1 & 2 were superior overall and everything after that was not good, with a few bright spots (like all the Darin Morgan episodes). I remember having a very very bad experience as the final seasons played out, as everyone else stopped watching, but I hung on until the bitter end, and I felt that at the very least, they had come through with a decent series finale. I’ve since watched the whole run twice on Netflix, and have come to like later seasons. I didn’t think Robert Patrick and Annabeth Gish were as bad as I did before – in fact, I liked some of their episodes a lot. What I hated – HATED – was weepy Scully (totally out of character) and all the ridiculous plot turns with William. The show never treated him like a real baby, it was hard to watch. I like the idea in theory but I don’t think they ever made it work. Anyway, I still like the finale but wish the Lone Gunmen hadn’t been killed off earlier, another bad decision.

On XF3, evidently David Duchovny said on the Tonight Show that people should start writing to Fox to try to make it happen. Smile

AI think it should happen but that sequel sucked down for it if fox is game
to make it

the show was awesome, i bought every season when they first were released and then bought the big box set after. I loved the alien storyline but my faves were always the real one off episodes. I loved D.P.O from season 3, it was just sooo different. I always hear people complaining about 'I want to believe" but i relish in the fact that it was like an extended regular season episode. Its just like the X-Files to do something like that, to build something up only to pull the rug out from everyone.

Huge, Huge, Huge fan. Never missed an episode when it was on T.V. Bought all of the seasons when they came out and bought the big box when it was released. Eventhough i love the alien story line throughout the show, i love the real one off episodes…D.P.O. is probably my favorite episode. I dont understand all the hate towards “I Want To Believe” It was like an extended one off episode and just like the X-Files to put something out that would spin people on their asses. Very unexpected and very true to the X-Files cannon.

I Want to Believe isn’t bad, I just wish it had focused more on the elements revealed at the end with the crazy surguries and two-headed dogs and such, and less on the pedo and Scully’s faith angle. Could have been far creepier. As it stands it’s like an overlong but decent one-off episode, but I think most people were expecting it to be a great one-off episode what with all the time they had to write a cool story.

IDW’s new X-FILES “Season 10” Series

Coming in June.

I haven’t read any of the X Files comic books but I’d like to read this series. Hope it’s good.

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Ravi, agree, season 5 is a good one. Those are all great episodes. I’d give anything to see the entire run for the first time.

Dr. Harford, all your criticism is valid. I have my own problems with it but, frankly, the great things about the movie outweigh the bad, even the bizarre choice to make the villains gay, make one of them an abuse survivor, and make all of their victims women. In terms of the series finale, I love CSM’s death, love everything about that character and how he meets his end. I don’t think Kersh was setting them up – I think it was Chris Carter’s sentimentality talking, not wanting a longtime character who has not been explicitly shown to be in on any conspiracies to go out as a baddie. The thing about the finale is that I first watched TXF during its initial run, having discovered it by chance early on in its first season. At that time, I thought seasons 1 & 2 were superior overall and everything after that was not good, with a few bright spots (like all the Darin Morgan episodes). I remember having a very very bad experience as the final seasons played out, as everyone else stopped watching, but I hung on until the bitter end, and I felt that at the very least, they had come through with a decent series finale. I’ve since watched the whole run twice on Netflix, and have come to like later seasons. I didn’t think Robert Patrick and Annabeth Gish were as bad as I did before – in fact, I liked some of their episodes a lot. What I hated – HATED – was weepy Scully (totally out of character) and all the ridiculous plot turns with William. The show never treated him like a real baby, it was hard to watch. I like the idea in theory but I don’t think they ever made it work. Anyway, I still like the finale but wish the Lone Gunmen hadn’t been killed off earlier, another bad decision.

On XF3, evidently David Duchovny said on the Tonight Show that people should start writing to Fox to try to make it happen. Smile

YT, this just occured to me, but perhaps Kersh was OK with the kangaroo court because he was told that Mulder and Scully would be allowed to escape and live in seclusion, and so he didn’t know about the plans to blow them up with helicopters once they escaped. In that scenario his actions would make a kind of sense.

I sadly stopped watching the X Files in seasons 8-9. It occurs to me that if I lived in the age of DVRs and such, I’d never have abandoned it completely, but at the time it just seemed like after having missed a few eps, I’d missed too much to catch up and so I kind of shrugged my shoulders and gave up. I need to go back and watch those seasons in full at some point.

By the way, this news hit a few days ago but it’s been blowing up big in the past 24 hours: X-Files “Special” to be released this June, an official 10th Season in comic form for the show with Chris Carter’s direct involvement! (I’m reading through the Wildstorm series from 2008 which is set between seasons 2-5, but it will be great to pick up with Mulder and Scully in 2013!)

Now I’m off to write that letter!

Just finished the 1998 movie and thought it was ok; the climax in Antarctica was cool, but overall, it felt like a big-budget rehash of the “Mythology” episodes.

I did like seeing Terry O’Quinn and Jeffrey DeMunn (Dale from Walking Dead) in small parts.

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Just finished the 1998 movie and thought it was ok; the climax in Antarctica was cool, but overall, it felt like a big-budget rehash of the “Mythology” episodes.

I did like seeing Terry O’Quinn and Jeffrey DeMunn (Dale from Walking Dead) in small parts.

I thought the ‘98 film was solid and wove nicely into the overall story arc (which kind of went to hell after David Duchovny left the series for awhile). I’m not sure what happened in 2008, though. That would have been a mediocre episode of the TV show and it somehow passed as a theatrical film that was supposed to not only whet fans’ appetites for an end-all, be-all 2012 film but entice new fans as well. Yeah, that confused me.

I just started watching the show from the start on Netflix, and I’m struck by how good the show was out of the gate. The Mulder/Scully chemistry is perfect from the very start, in a way that’s rare for any television show. I’m nearing the end of the first season, and it’s fun seeing the craft improve episode by episode. One of the best shows ever.

AI mentioned this in the thread for Chris Carter’s new show, the one I can’t remember the name of any more. The list of writers and producers on the show was unbelievable. Glen Morgan and James Wong. Frank Spotnitz. The guy who created Homeland. Fucking Vince Gilligan. I don’t think we knew how good we had it at the time.