Everything ends up a lot more Christian-themed than we’re all comfortable with. Like Jesus shows up and high-five’s Jacob and says “Ok, you can all come into Heaven now. Even you, Smokey.”
Two things, then I’m done:
- Considering the timelines, instead of the children being in the class, it’ll probably be just Walt;
- Sawyer and Juliet will be Adam and Eve.
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At this point, I would love for that to be true.
I think that Walt and his ability to “appear in places he shouldn’t” will become integral in relating the two realities. I think the “flash-sideways” is 3 years behind right now, and we will jump ahead to a point where it will allow him to appear on the show.
I do think that in the end we will see the destruction of the island in order to save the world and its sinking will be epic-bad Lost CGI that we know and love.
The MiB, having failed in his attempts to unravel the time paradox that linked him inextricably to Jacob, the Black Rock inhabitants, and the flight 815 passengers, discovers a way to “escape” the island by exploiting the newly-created dual timelines. Enlisting the help of a few hapless Losties, he plans to [SOMETHING - let’s just call it “divide by zero” for now] that will negate existence and effectively push the universe’s off button - collapsing BOTH timelines and releasing him from the game’s infinite loop.
Desmond and Alt-Desmond join forces to recruit Faraday, who merges timeline consciousnesses and kicks off a race to prevent the MiB from clicking “off”. Comforted in the knowledge that their experiences on the island will be preserved in the minds of their alternate timeline counterparts, the losties sacrifice themselves to stop the MiB, which permanently unravels the time loop. The surviving others call Jacob - who is now mortal, having become unstuck from the time loop - to task for the deaths of hundreds of “candidates” killed in the service of his ego-driven game. The dead candidates range from Slave ship passengers to Egyptian refugees.
That’s actually kind of awesome, Trevor (if not far beyond the budget and scope remaining).
Some great theories here. I just wish that the one I think closest to my feelings wasn’t this one:
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| Originally Posted by mediumdave View Post I have absolutely no faith or trust in the Lost creators. Oh, it’s a show that I like and have really like a lot, but I still think they’re completely winging a bunch of it and the whole thing will be less than the sum of it’s parts. They listen to their damn fans, the shitty ones anyway, too much and for a show like this I think that’s a major mistake. Anyway, I’m on the ride until the end. |
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| Originally Posted by Mattioli View Post That’s actually kind of awesome, Trevor (if not far beyond the budget and scope remaining). |
Not necessarily. Most of that could be done using the techniques Lost has already established. There’s no huge battle sequence or anything.
Here’s what I got:
Jacob is the last surviving member of the human race in the far future. The predictions of the Valenzetti equation have come true, and human civilization has ended. The last habitable place in this future world is the Island. Jacob has discovered how to become unbound from time and space, and has begun transferring his consciousness to various eras of human civilzation in order to change the variables in the equation. He is playing a very long game in order to produce the correct collection of variables (the Losties) in order to break the destiny of humanity.
He has tried with many different groups of people from many different cultures, locations, to varying degrees of success. The MiB was the closest he has come, attaining a great deal of power. However, his goals became domination of the world and chaos, and Jacob imprisoned him on the island. The Losties will learn of the truth from the MiB, and confront Jacob. Everybody will learn a valuable lesson regarding free will, take one for the team and die destroying the island, Jacob, and the MiB. Jacob, however, is not bound by time and space and will travel to the alternate reality, setting up the experiment again. “LOST”
I think Devin’s is the most likely scenario presented so far. If I have any problems with it (likelihood-wise, if not also story-wise), it’s that it seems too soon for another race-to-nuke-something finale. The nuke is still out there, though, so who knows.
-I think Sawyer will be groomed to be the next Man In Black. One constant theme in Lost is that there are two sides, dark and light. Just as there is the need for an island caretaker (or Jacob), there is a need for an antagonist (or Smokey). I think Smokey wants Sawyer to help him escape the island, but he will trick or screw over Sawyer somehow, leaving Sawyer to take up his mantle.
-The Losties will be shown visions of their alternate selves. They will be given a choice to either accept that reality as their true reality, or accept their island reality and find their ultimate destiny
-The Alt Losties will eventually all meet up at some point. They might have recollections of their alternate lives, or they might not. They will continue to be connected to one another and affect each others lives
-The Losties will become the Others. One thing that has only been touched upon is the fact that there is currently another flight on the other island. Those that accept their island fates will have to deal with these people
-I think the series might end with a total mind fuck. We will see an ancient ship (not the Black Rock) crash on the island. We are not sure at first what date it is. The ships captain will come off the ship. A man with a long beard, wearing some type of armour. Whether this man is actually Jack is not yet know, maybe it is a distant ancestor. But it will suggest that perhaps his connection to the island goes back centuries.
L O S T
Kudos, Devin, for starting this thread. I know you soured a bit on the show, but I hope the writers hold true and make the resolution of the show revolve around the main characters’ arcs.
Lots of great theories (Matches Malone, that’s an especially wild theory!)! I don’t have so much a big theory as a prediction for the ending for the show. However, Mattioli beat me to it. I can see the show ending with Jack and Locke sitting on the beach, replacing Jacob and MIB (or maybe it’s still MIB in the form of Not-Locke) watching the next group of castaways arrive.
And though not really original, I have a prediction for the final shot: a close-up of Jack’s eye, either opening, mirroring the first shot of the pilot, or closing, book-ending the series.
I really hope it does not turn out to be a virtual reality experiment.
And for the heck of it, here are two series I had back in season two. One was that the Losties would become the Others. The other theory was the island was the actual Garden of Eden. The Others were some lost tribe of Adam and Eve, possibly descendants of Cain or Able, who found their way back to Eden after exile. They try to keep Eden hidden away from the rest of the evil world. And no I don’t believe this theory anymore.
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| Originally Posted by t3cii View Post One constant theme in Lost is that there are two sides, dark and light. |
I feel like this is something the show talks about but it has NEVER been a theme. The theme of the show is the grey area between black and white. Every character has lied, most have killed, bad guys have become good guys, things that were held to be true were proven wrong, people we thought were evil were misunderstood.
Everybody dies except Jack, in a last ditch battle with MiB, who becomes the shepherd of the island.
Back in LA, everybody lives. Locke walks again due to Jack. Sawyer and Juliet get together. Kate clears her name. Claire keeps her baby. Locke, Jack, and Ben Linus become best buds.
Everyone who has come to the Island before the 815ers exploited the Island for its mystical abilities. Dharma tried to punch into the electromagnetic field and build a time machine and the Temple guys use that spring to give themselves eternal life. The Island represents the things that man always fights over sacred land, eternal life, and unending power. Jacob is the one who has been trying to draw people to the Island to ultimately destroy it not the MiB (who was originally referred to as a security system mind you) and who has been trying to protect it and prove that man will always corrupt itself.
The 815ers are Jacobs chosen few who have already shown themselves willing to destroy the Island and more irked by its mythical properties and enticed. John Locke being the one who seemed closest to the Island was being played by the MiB to keep them all there because he needed the Island to feel important like Dharma and the Temple folk. It ends with the 815ers fulfilling Jacobs wishes and destroying the Island. The alt-time line is the epilogue with Desmond and Faraday finding a way to blend both realities and show the 815ers how much better off everyone would be without the Island.
“It only ends once…everything else is just progress”. Those don’t really sound like the words of a man looking for a successor.
Also no matter what happens the internet will hate it at first and then come around to kind of accepting it a year or so after its over when its looked back on.
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You know what? That seems to be a pretty safe bet!
The island’s various heaven/fountain of youth qualities will become apparent to all the characters, and be the focus of the final conflict.
The ending choice could have implications on a planetary scale. Once “Pandora’s Box” is opened, or somebody figures out how to fully harness the powers of the island (through the combined efforts of the Jacob/Smokey lineage?), it will become possible to give the entire planet the properties of the island. It will be morally and ethically murky, of course. Will everyone’s dead relatives be hanging around all the time? Will only certain people’s cancers be cured/sins forgiven, as dictated by the Island’s intelligent design, or that of the new combined Jacob/Smokey entity?
Of course, they will leave us hanging before the final choice is decided. And the end shot will probably be someone’s eye, with an inscrutable image reflected in it that will lead to much debate.I wouldn’t want to see them try to CGI render the Island teleporting into the middle of LA or something on a TV budget and shooting schedule.
Great thread idea, Devin. However, I’m a cynical bastard and I’m not about to read any entries (other than your initial one) because I don’t doubt some asshat is going to go hunting for spoilers and dress them up in a fancy, innocent suit.
I’ll try to think up my best guess and post it/edit it in here.
Smokey will continue to recruit the candidate folks to get off the island while Dogen and Lennon try to convince them to stay. Smokey will manipulate them by using their dead friends and family (Christian, Michael, Shannon, etc) and this all leads to an epic battle between MiB and the Losties resulting in many deaths (including Sawyer’s and Sayid, who sacrifices himself before turning totally evil or whatever).
The alt. timelines converge with the help of Desmond and Farraday. The alt. John Locke somehow comes back to the 2007 island. Meanwhile the monster plans to escape while trying to use the frozen donkey wheel (or something similar).
But the Losties/others are keen to his plans and attempt to stop him. They somehow realize that the real candidate is John Locke, so they feel like they can’t win. But then they realize that alt. Locke is still alive (and now on the island) and that gives them hope. They use the bomb or something similar to try and stop Smokey from escaping (blowing up the donkey wheel maybe? I don’t know) and while he DOES manage to escape, the entire effect of what the Losties have done somehow sends everyone back to where they were 2004 era Lost style (AKA, the flash sideways we’ve been seeing all season, so the flash sideways are the end result of what they do THIS season, not last season).
The island is destroyed, smokey has escaped, but whatever Jacob was is also inside alt. Locke as well. He is the personification of the island, the island embodied, IS John Locke. The candidate isn’t a replacement for Jacob, but a replacement for the Island. And as long as Locke continues to make that loop, the universe is stable (very Dark Tower).
Typing that all out makes me hope and pray that I’m wrong, because it sounds pretty stupid and I hope the show can do better.
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Illana said that Smokey is stuck in Locke’s form. So he couldn’t appear to anyone as someone else.
I’d just like to make one final prediction. I predict Smokey will not be able to revert to his Smoke form at some point. I’ve noticed that the special fx for Smokey seems a bit different from when we originally saw him. His last few appearances have looked a bit greyer than usual.
Early season 2
Early season 6
I’m willing to admit that it is probably just an issue with fx, but maybe Smokey is becoming weaker? I think there will come a point where he is not able to transform back to the smoke.