Does it give you second thoughts on air travel?
I am SO opting for the pat-down from now on. Frankly, I’m excited about it.
Huuuh? HUUUUHH?!?
It just amuses how the automatic assumption is that the TSA is staffed by nothing but perverts who were hired with no background check and who get off on doing patdowns.
Go through the vision detector thing or get a fucking pat down and get on the plane.
Jesus Christ, people.
*EDIT* The pat downs are a clear violation of the 4th Amendment.
The video wouldn’t bother me if it was like Total Recall and you could only see bones, metal, etc, but I’m not down with basically appearing naked on the thing, and no one should be. It’s no doubt recorded in case they have to review it too, I would think. Not cool.
I’m going for the pat-down, with the largest erection I can muster. Doesn’t matter who’s doing the pat-down.
It’s always sad to realize how many people buy into the reasoning that, if a person has nothing to hide, a person has nothing to worry about when his or her basic right to privacy is breached. It’s like they don’t understand that they’re endorsing a line of reasoning that is a direct attack on most of the things that modern Western democracies have been built upon since the Magna Carta.
That and the widespread acceptance of America engaging in torture get to me. Bush was a transformational president, in all the worst ways.
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| Originally Posted by Nexus-7 View Post The video wouldn’t bother me if it was like Total Recall and you could only see bones, metal, etc, but I’m not down with basically appearing naked on the thing, and no one should be. It’s no doubt recorded in case they have to review it too, I would think. Not cool. |
The goverment has constantly lied about the extent of the testing with these scanners, as well as the pat downs. They said the scanner images couldn’t be saved, and that’s been shown to be as blatant a lie as humanly possible.
As for those that are saying the TSA folks are paragons of virtue, really? Have you ever met with a low level government official?
I dont buy into the “if you have nothing to hide” garbage. I just dont see how a quick pat down before you get on a plane is the end of the world.
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| Originally Posted by The Closer View Post I just dont see how a quick pat down before you get on a plane is the end of the world. |
The searches are a big more invasive than this. Putting hands into bras to search the cups is humiliating, especially for the women.
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| Originally Posted by The Closer View Post I just dont see how a quick pat down before you get on a plane is the end of the world. |
They’re more in-depth than that. It’s a slippery slope. Next thing you know, people will be randomly pulled aside to get a finger up their ass, and it’ll be accepted… “for our safety”. That’s bullshit.
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| Originally Posted by The Closer View Post I dont buy into the “if you have nothing to hide” garbage. I just dont see how a quick pat down before you get on a plane is the end of the world. |
Quick is a relative thing… the pat down actually takes a couple of minutes. It’s a LOT longer than they used to be.
I’m all for pilots and crew being able to opt out out of the scanner dealio. The background checks and additional screenings they undergo as part of the job should be enough… metal detect and pat them down if you need to, but they get more radiation on a day-to-day than about 95% of anybody else doing any kind of work (unless it involves space-walking 12 hours a day for a week… that would be more).
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| Originally Posted by Nexus-7 View Post They’re more in-depth than that. It’s a slippery slope. Next thing you know, people will be randomly pulled aside to get a finger up their ass, and it’ll be accepted… “for our safety”. That’s bullshit. |
I don’t think you even need to argue slippery slope with this stuff; even as it occurs. Last week it was forceful pat downs, this week the rules changed to include going inside pants and bras. Slippery slope is occurring but the fact of the matter is that buying an airline ticket has now made you a suspected terrorist.
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| Originally Posted by Cuchulain View Post It’s always sad to realize how many people buy into the reasoning that, if a person has nothing to hide, a person has nothing to worry about when his or her basic right to privacy is breached. It’s like they don’t understand that they’re endorsing a line of reasoning that is a direct attack on most of the things that modern Western democracies have been built upon since the Magna Carta. That and the widespread acceptance of America engaging in torture get to me. Bush was a transformational president, in all the worst ways. |
God, shut the fuck up. That’s fucking unbelievable. For those seven hours you’re on a plane, your actions so heavily affect those around you, your personal privacy matters less than protecting those on the plane with you. And if you don’t like how the privately-owned airlines, in tandem with the goverment, choose to enforce that safety (and it’s not like they’re doing full cavity searches here), then don’t…fucking…fly. Drive. You’re from California. You should be all about the driving. Until then, suck it up and realize it has jack shit to do with our right to privacy.
Please, come up with a more reasoned solution in between talking about what a stud you are with women. Please.
You know what? It’s not a Constitutional right to get on an airplane. When you buy that ticket, you’re accepting the rules and regulations that go along with it. I suppose it’s an infringement of your rights to make you wear your seatbelt during takeoff too, huh?
Wouldn’t bother me a bit. Gawk at will. I doubt they get much of a rise out of whatever they see, but if they do, it’ll be my pleasure to brighten up their day by however much I can. I’ve dumped my pockets, walked through detectors, been wanded and patted for years. A fancy-shmancy X-ray machine bothers and inconveniences me far less - and makes me weep for my species less - than the panicked fright that resulted in my not being able to carry a drink on a plane.
That said, there’s plenty on an airplane that a determined group of men could use to hijack it anyway. Good intelligence and an armed marshal or whatever on every second flight would be more effective, I think.
What gets me too is how a lot of the people who are like, “We should have security like Israel” would be the first ones to lose their shit when they saw guards with automatic weapons in the terminals.
I am with Tzu and Cuch. Patdowns are already abused even when they are supposedly justified by law and carried out by trained law enforcement personnel. I take offense at the idea that Americans should be expected to submit to invasive searches by untrained TSA personnel (who have been exposed in the past to violate the law and generally be incompetent) as a matter of course when engaging in public transportation
To answer the question posted in POST ONE: Yes, it does give me second thoughts about plane travel, as much fun as flying can be
I think it’s time we look to high speed rail instead, and a return to an age of luxuriant ocean liner excursions
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| Originally Posted by Princess Kate View Post I take offense at the idea that Americans should be expected to submit to evasive searches by untrained TSA personnel (who have been exposed in the past to violate the law and generally be incompetent) as a matter of course when engaging in public transportation |
There have been doctors who have been exposed in the past to violate the law and generally be incompetent, but I bet you still go to the gynecologist.